PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

JUST GET ON WITH IT*

*insert most soothing referent here

No I misread tom’s “what’s the hurry” as meaning even further 🤪

turn them on the spit

if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":

LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%

if "the UK has left the EU with a deal similar to the one negotiated by Theresa May":

CON: 32%
LAB: 27%
BREX: 15%
LDEM: 17%
GRN: 4%

from ComRes last week, not saying it means anything but agree that seeing Boris squirm is fun and possibly the longer this goes on the weaker his appeal gets beyond his horrible constituency of hard brexiters and nasty thick Sun reader "he's knocking it out the park" types as seen on QT recently.

the longer this goes on the weaker his appeal gets beyond his horrible constituency of hard brexiters and nasty thick Sun reader "he's knocking it out the park" types as seen on QT recently.

― calzino,

Is this true tho? Can't read too much into the polls regardless of what they're saying. I'm kinda lost now, people here are 50-50 on an election being a good idea?

Is this true tho?

No.

the only difference between the two polls is 5% of the Brexiteers moving into the Tory column...?

xps

Take No Deal off the table and Labour will absolutely support an election. pic.twitter.com/O7DtNGaurJ

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) October 24, 2019

where does this idea, that a second referendum or new election will magically result in a clear 80-20% message from the people instead of the usual 49.9-50.1/with a statistical error of 5%, come from?

just trying to make sense (badly) of the wider PLP strategy beyond the loads of them that would rather see a hard right Britannia Unchained gov for 5 years than a Corbyn one out of pure bitterness. Lol seeing as I've desperately been wanting another election since a couple of months after the last one and I'm not so sure now, but things have have got much more complicated and fuck knows tbh!

where does this idea, that a second referendum or new election will magically result in a clear 80-20% message from the people instead of the usual 49.9-50.1/with a statistical error of 5%, come from?

referendum: smug FBPErs who think people were duped / ref stolen / old people dead / we know more now

election: idiots like me who are eternally optimistic

without the misplaced optimism you might start losing the will to ...

power?

lol

another fred you don't want to see!

The übermensch thrives on misplaced optimism.

I can’t see a LD vote holding up to near 20% in a post-exit world. They don’t have other policies!

Is this true tho?

Yes.

Cromblyn himself is dying for an election but it’s the wider PLP who won’t support one.

trust his political instincts over theirs

If it was just a bunch of whingeing Corbyn-haters but I'd put money on McDonnell being against an early election.

What we really need now...is a VONC

(After extension confirmed ofc. And Christmas).

https://soundcloud.com/user-604399650-995396746/vonc

John McDonnell says of December election: "Anything could happen. I've given up predicting to be honest. But I've ordered a winter coat."https://t.co/wmEK7nG2zY pic.twitter.com/UKWGvaPm8f

— Mirror Politics (@MirrorPolitics) October 24, 2019

lol I see the latest line being trotted out is that the government are...going on strike?!?

Postal votes being delayed as its in the middle of the Christmas post season + old people not heading out in the cold to vote / students being home and voting in their provincial towns rather than cities? Could actually work out for Labour in some ways tbh.

Older voters are much more likely to use postal votes. It’s why the government isn’t interested in cracking down on them, even though there’s much more evidence of postal vote fraud than in person...

My sense is Leader's Office and a fair bit of Shadow Cabinet want an election. Virtually all of the rest of the PLP doesn't.

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) October 24, 2019

where is the beast from the east when you really need it?

the PLP are a bunch of stupid bastards so

My instinct is election good but I'm kind of muddled. If election is bad, then when is good?

Latest: Boris Johnson's Govt has threatened to go on strike if Labour refuses a Dec 12 election on Monday. PM’s spokesman said: “Nothing will come before Parliament but the bare minimum. We will pursue a general every day from then onwards, and do everything we can to get it”.

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) October 24, 2019

how is this any different to currently

My instinct is election good but I'm kind of muddled. If election is bad, then when is good?

When the Tories are less likely to cakewalk it.

just trying to make sense (badly) of the wider PLP strategy beyond the loads of them that would rather see a hard right Britannia Unchained gov for 5 years than a Corbyn one out of pure bitterness. Lol seeing as I've desperately been wanting another election since a couple of months after the last one and I'm not so sure now, but things have have got much more complicated and fuck knows tbh!

Just heard Crobyrn was a no-show at the Bristol rally tonight, glad I gave that a miss tbh

too busy catching the 18:38 from st pancras to kirkwall iirc

When the Tories are less likely to cakewalk it.

Sure, I get this feeling, but when is that? I can see selling a short term strategic delay, but beyond that, I don't get it

The longer the clowns are left dangling on a string unable shit or get off the pot the better. I know zombies are popular but not when they're running the country.

bbc brexitcast quite the insight

The longer the clowns are left dangling on a string unable shit or get off the pot the better. I know zombies are popular but not when they're running the country.

I remain to be convinced how effective that will be or, for that matter, is at the moment.

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I do fear the longer Johnson gets to posture like this the better for him tbh, hope I'm wrong of course.

Kate Andrews talking loads of shite again

"people in zero hours contracts are happy as pigs in shit" she says

BBC's new editorial guidelines on think tanks has predictably had zero impact. https://t.co/imWpdyS6cM

— Tom Mills (@ta_mills) October 24, 2019

The BBC has altered its editorial guidelines after persistent calls for the organisation to improve transparency around the commentators to which it gives a platform.

The broadcaster has now added “think tanks” to a list of groups that it says presenters and producers should “not automatically assume … are unbiased”. “Appropriate information about their affiliations, funding and particular viewpoints should be made available to the audience, when relevant to the context,” the guidelines say.

wow, you'd do that for us

Kate Andrews talking loads of shite again

And being applauded by the audience ... in South Shields.

'free-market' is a biased term ffs

there's no such thing as a free market

/When the Tories are less likely to cakewalk it./

Sure, I get this feeling, but when is that? I can see selling a short term strategic delay, but beyond that, I don't get it