PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

we are all marine a iirc

VONC is the obvious thing: with an extension in the bag, it’s probably election time. The DUP are not fans of the deal, and as people bother to read it they’ll start to peel away too

― stet, Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:29 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

But with a majority voting for the bill, will there be a majority for a GE? Or a VONC? The same majority can take some time to read the bill and back it again. Why would they back a GE or VONC when they're so close to Brexit? (again, I hope I'm wrong)

I don’t know, but my guess would be with the pressure off they’ll start peeling away. The bill is genuinely pretty bad, and I think the government would v much prefer a pre-Brexit election.

As Stephen Bush in the NS points out, what does a post-Brexit campaign look like for the Tories? “We did Brexit! What next? Er, some very Labour policies but don’t vote for them vote for us”.

Get Brexit Done By Voting Tory is the best available platform for them.

slow clap for marine A

#BREAKING: @BorisJohnson's Brexit deal has passed Parliament tonight.

But now Jeremy Corbyn and Labour have voted to delay it, yet again.

RT to back Boris 🇬🇧 pic.twitter.com/ZAunzPfeMp

— Conservatives (@Conservatives) October 22, 2019

you can have "get brexit done" or you can have the party that can't even decide a policy amongst itself

labour need to expand the campaign beyond the borders of that framing. plus ça change

There you go. Ppl would rather "get brexit done" than have an actual proper deal, it seems. After three years getting some deal get some maj backing seems enough for people tired of this, regardless of content and implications. xp

btw, (||||||||), I gave you some Granada recs on the SPAIN thread but you didn't check back on the thread, I don't think.

Relieved to see Marine A références are only to Dan Jarvis.

Several hours late bc mammy visit but re: Corbyn & trains

In the train cab - can't think of a better way to travel to Matlock for the launch of the Derbyshire County Council election campaign pic.twitter.com/GMiJgq4tA3

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) December 10, 2016

@tomcopley @kevpeel @CateySmith Let us be real supporters of train travel and railways do'nt be sidelined (geddit?).Railways are the future!

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) September 19, 2011

@benfolley if you get a picture of the source of the exciting train noise you know where to send it ;-)

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) March 19, 2010

Lifelong reader of Rail Magazine makes front page for People's Railway! pic.twitter.com/NEBUoAlUtH

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) October 6, 2015

Tusk recommending extension as requested, so looks like we are on for Jan 31

It's going to be like a party till then.

lol:

Tonight Jeremy Corbyn and Labour voted to delay Brexit again and create more uncertainty. They have humiliated the country again. pic.twitter.com/rVLSXLDCVM

— Conservatives (@Conservatives) October 22, 2019

There’s been a lot of this sort of thing over the past two months. Dodgy stories and commentary linked to Downing Street or government sources started to appear in the press and media after Johnson installed his own media team, which was largely drawn from the Vote Leave campaign that won the 2016 Brexit referendum.

With the prime minister’s evident encouragement these Downing Street or government sources have been spreading lies, misrepresentations, smears and falsehoods around Fleet Street and across the major TV channels. Political editors lap it all up.

I'm glad P Oborne wrote that piece linked above, but I'm not sure "BBC manipulated by Downing Street" is particularly a recent development and going back to the Cameron era it was criminally biased and bad and often either pro-austerity or austerity neutral. tbf it probably has got markedly worse since Boris was in no 10 - but the rest of right wing shit-rags have been stone crazy for years, and probably a bigger story is how the Graun have kowtowed to GCHQ and are publishing fiction straight from their office as news.

It was fucking weak back in the coalition years, they barely covered the health and social care act and ignored the protests against it.

What’s also bad, and I’m glad he mentioned it, is the increasing influence of Guido Fawkes on the press.

Not sure which country yiz are in where a three month delay would involve any scrutiny of the bill at all, sounds nice.

You’re all thinking: another extension. I am thinking: another three weeks listening to Farage pic.twitter.com/Cob2wPmghP

— Guy Verhofstadt (@guyverhofstadt) October 22, 2019

labour should lambast the tories relentlessly for.... not getting brexit done

Peter Oborne withering on the way the BBC allow anonymous govt spokesppl to play them and thus to mislead the public

― mark s, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:41 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I missed this in the hurlyburly but it's really good - a friend reposted it and pointed out the breathless reporting yesterday that if the programme motion were to fail then Boris would assuredly pull the bill - it did, he didn't.

Oh yeah the link: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/

I don't know if this is as much of an issue as it might have been 10 years ago. Public trust in the media (and all institutions) is continuously declining, but on the flipside deference to power and authority is still high. But to the owner class not the manager class, and BBC is manager class.

Yes and no, but people still trust the BBC for news and for older people it might be their main source of broadcast news.

for many years I'd used the BBC world news page as the page that loads automatically when I open a new window, but after reading this thread I've finally changed to another site. all the faults of the BBC presented here convinced me.

(I realize that may sound sarcastic but I'm not capable of that this early in the morning)

The numbskull who tried his best to ruin #SkyPapers from Westminster tonight by whistling and shouting ‘losers’ and ‘Brexit now’ through out just admitted to the producer he’s paid £80 a night to do it. I wonder who by?

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) October 22, 2019

still not convinced - despite their best efforts - the tories have successfully answered - in the minds of the public - “what’s an election going to solve ?”

for many years I'd used the BBC world news page as the page that loads automatically when I open a new window, but after reading this thread I've finally changed to another site. all the faults of the BBC presented here convinced me.

NEW: Ken Clarke says if the PM presents a one line bill calling for an election (remember he needs a way round that Fixed Term Parliaments Act), then MPs will amend it. For example, to reduce the age of voting to 16. Snap election might not be so easy for PM after all.

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) October 23, 2019

I don’t think the same problems exist with world service tbf?

― gyac, Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:43 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think so either. But on WS you're one click away from BBCUK. Wondering what site you changed to now, Euler!

xp - the pitch will be "we have the deal sorted out, we need a majority to push it through" - plus let's fund the NHS.

(xp to comrade zebra)

Also Gyac, late to this but I really appreciated seeing the train tweets :) It was not in vain.

I switched to a French site finally. But really I just want world news at a glance, not analysis but just headline-type stuff, preferably that says little about the USA (one thing that was annoying me about the BBC, too much about the current usa president who doesn't warrant my attention). if there's some other good world news site I'd be interested!

al-jazeera's pretty good

It is. Graun's international landing page is ok too.

Jesus... 39 bodies found in Essex lorry container

Horrible.

Fucking horrendous. There was a story last week about someone dying after falling from the cargo hold of a plane during landing too.

RTÉ probably has the best English-language Brexit coverage (and Tony Connelly gets all the Brexit scoops first).

euronews.com might suit you Euler

one thing that was annoying me about the BBC, too much about the current usa president who doesn't warrant my attention

This is a common complaint.

BBC apologises after Andrew Marr suggested Priti Patel was 'laughing'

The corporation received 222 complaints and now accepts Patel was not "smiling" but displaying her "natural expression"

ok

resting giggle face

Oh, prithee.

It is true that a smug smirk is her natural expression.

Her attempts to look serious and considered after Marr made the comment were pretty funny.

so i took yesterday afternoon and evening off politics and the internet? did anything happen?

COME ON PROGRAMME MOTION U CUNT

Corobyn and Johnson meeting to discuss new programme motion this morning

The FPBErs are going to love that.

They are busy designing an app to show voters how not to vote Labour in their area to 'stop Brexit'.