PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Missing the fire in Corbyn's speech tbh, he sounds like he's reading the train schedule out loud.

He's no Nye Bevan but no-one ever pretended he was tbf

Bozza playing it back to EU. No mention of GE (yet).

lol Gyac! Didn't know that

Waffle and dither and dither and delay from Johnson oh god here's Blackfordzzzzzzzzzzz

so... Boris' timetable was rejected?

Yes.

Corbyn's yer man for timetables.

Johnson 'pauses' Brexit legislation

Boris Johnson has confirmed he will set aside the bill that would implement his deal, despite the fact the Commons has just backed it, after his proposal to fast-track it through parliament was rejected by MPs.

He says he does not want a delay and will continue to discuss with EU27 leaders until they decide whether or not to grant one.

xp to shakey

Ken Clarke wants to get Brexit done apparently

No election. Deal passes early November unless Lab MPs bother to read the thing

COME ON PROGRAMME MOTION U CUNT

I'm afraid that's correct, Comrade. And I'm afraid BJ will go to sleep with a smile on his face. He got a majority on his bill. May didn't achieve this. There might be another extension but he's got this under his belt now. It's fucked.

election

Election

(louder) ELEction

stands on table ELECTION ELECTION

throws pint glass ELECTION ELECTION ELECTION

I'm afraid that's correct, Comrade. And I'm afraid BJ will go to sleep with a smile on his face.

I can assure he absolutely won't.

So is his deal a sure thing to go through now? Or are there more chances to gum up the works?

(Sorry to keep wandering in with outsider questions)

Why not? I don't think not leaving by Oct 31st will rub off on him. He can always gloat and say he got a parliament majority, as opposed to stalling and heckling Labour etc etc.

xp

EU can extend to January 31st, say, and that is that, right? Parliament gets the four weeks to do the ~proper reading and scrutinizing~, agrees with more or less the same numbers, and presto. Unless I'm missing something really obvious here?

*twelve weeks

He got a Parliamentary majority to go forward to a third reading of the bill, and promptly paused the process - not exactly on a victory march there - and, yes, there are now plenty of chances to gum up the works.

God forbid but if I was on BJ's cuntish spin team, I'd see enough opportunities to spin this into a net positive.

I hope you are way more on point than I am, Tom :-(

I'm sitting watching the coverage of this and I've yet to see anyone who supports the deal with anything approaching a smile on their face.

BJ is closer to what he wants, smile or no smile.

The shadow leader, Valerie Vaz, reiterates Labour’s offer to work to find a consensus on the Brexit bill’s timetabling.

I mean, this is the weakest of sauce tbh.

That's all about positioning Labour for the GE.

The scrutiny this bill is now getting could get Lab MPs that were voting to re-consider...so not a done thing

Yes, and not just Labour MPs.

That's what my "unless Lab MPs bother to read" was getting at.

I don't think not leaving the EU on Oct 31st will really harm BJ. It's a "broken promise", but he can easily point to how opposition "obstructed" him again and again. At least he "got a deal" and "got support", is probably what will be thrown in our faces for the near eternity. Also, breaking promises is BJ's raison d'etre, it never hurt him before iirc.

Let amendments and obstacles commence obv, but I fail to see how this is a big blow. If anything, it's a minor obstacle. He knows how to sell this and spin it into a win. But what do I know?

Here's to scrutiny!

Oh god, someone on beeb world service just used the word "flextension". He apologised tbfttt :-/

Stoked for the scrutiny tbh.

The division list for the programme motion shows just five Labour MPs rebelled to support it. They were joined by 285 Tory MPs and 18 independents in supporting the motion. Those Labour MPs are:

Kevin Barron
Jim Fitzpatrick
Caroline Flint
Kate Hoey
John Mann

No surprises here.

19 Labour MPs backed the Johnson deal in principle on the second reading:

- Kevin Barron
- Sarah Champion
- Rosie Cooper
- Jon Cruddas
- Gloria De Piero
- Jim Fitzpatrick
- Caroline Flint
- Mike Hill
- Dan Jarvis
- Emma Lewell-Buck
- John Mann
- Grahame Morris
- Lisa Nandy

— Sebastian Payne (@SebastianEPayne) October 22, 2019

Has one time future lab leader Dan Jarvis!

Kinnock didn’t vote for it!

our brave boy dan jarvis

Spartan cunt

Skinnock is good now I have to get a grip of myself.

excuse me who is dan jarvis pls

is he marine A

remember when jon cruddas was the great hope for the left wing of the party in the 2007 deputy leadership election?

EU can extend to January 31st, say, and that is that, right? Parliament gets the four weeks to do the ~proper reading and scrutinizing~, agrees with more or less the same numbers, and presto. Unless I'm missing something really obvious here?

(xp) I do!

(xp) Orange peel

we are all marine a iirc

VONC is the obvious thing: with an extension in the bag, it’s probably election time. The DUP are not fans of the deal, and as people bother to read it they’ll start to peel away too

― stet, Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:29 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

But with a majority voting for the bill, will there be a majority for a GE? Or a VONC? The same majority can take some time to read the bill and back it again. Why would they back a GE or VONC when they're so close to Brexit? (again, I hope I'm wrong)

I don’t know, but my guess would be with the pressure off they’ll start peeling away. The bill is genuinely pretty bad, and I think the government would v much prefer a pre-Brexit election.

As Stephen Bush in the NS points out, what does a post-Brexit campaign look like for the Tories? “We did Brexit! What next? Er, some very Labour policies but don’t vote for them vote for us”.

Get Brexit Done By Voting Tory is the best available platform for them.

slow clap for marine A

#BREAKING: @BorisJohnson's Brexit deal has passed Parliament tonight.

But now Jeremy Corbyn and Labour have voted to delay it, yet again.

RT to back Boris 🇬🇧 pic.twitter.com/ZAunzPfeMp

— Conservatives (@Conservatives) October 22, 2019