Open for Business: Canadian Politics 2019

I'm more nervous i think. i may be misremembering but wasn't trudeau front-runner on election day last time? i seem to recall being like "oh well the ndp aren't going to do as well (this ended up being an underestimation)* as hope but least we're prob done with harper".

*mulcair had gone into the campaign as the front-runner in polls, election was a bloodbath for the ndp.

yeah Trudeau was definitely considered the front-runner in the days before election day and the eventual majority was predicted by several polls iirc. This time it feels like just slightly bad polling or small movements in voting intentions could make a significant difference in the final result.

many xps- coyne's level of trudeau-hatred is ridiculous imho. but i do value his extremely idiosyncratic contrarianism as discourse

god I hate the strategic voting campaign so much this time

or rather the messaging. I see so many people just saying Vote Liberal with no thought to the situation in individual ridings, and heard an ad for the Liberals where they lifted strategic voting language pretty shamelessly.

Vote strategically for the Liberals by voting strategically for the Liberals.

Yeah, he's definitely idiosyncratic and contrarian but I appreciate his mix of strong, consistent principles and total lack of any partisan allegiance to anyone. (He hated Harper at least as much as Trudeau; I've seen a right-winger 'blame' him for bringing down Harper. The National Post comments section typically seems to regard him as a Liberal shill, incredibly.) He probably IS the 19th century British liberal that Jordan Peterson claims to be and is as consistently supportive of civil liberties as he is brutally pro-free market on economic issues (which is actually part of why he loves the carbon tax, a market-based solution to clinate change). xp to flopson wrt Coyne

when someone talks about balancing the budget thats when i reach for my revolver

I don't agree with Coyne at all on economics but I do find him interesting to read, as a columnist (thankfully not a politician) with actual economics training - he freely acknowledges that even permanent deficits within reason wouldn't be any kind of disaster; he just opposes them on grounds of ideological principle: https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/opinion/national-perspectives/andrew-coyne-no-permanent-deficits-wouldnt-kill-us-that-doesnt-make-them-a-good-idea-358651/

We do not deserve the Maritimes.

hey now with the Newfoundland-exclusionary language

And you with the Labrador haha

We do not deserve anything east of Gaspésie.

yeah I was hoping you'd catch that. o Canada n stuff everybody :D

Atlantic Canada p much always goes Liberal federally iirc? About as reliably as the Tories picking up a lot of the Prairies?

I know but in these times what is certain anymore? Right wing populism is a bit hard to predict.

Don't fuck this up, Central Canada.

I'm actually p excited about this Green lead in Fredericton. Hope they pick it up.

i'm so confused, who is winning

Looks like Liberal minority?

Radio-Canada just predicted a Liberal government, didn't say majority or minority but former seems unlikely to me. This is the ideal outcome tbh.

Yeah minority looks certain. Oh, cbc decision desk just announced that

best possible (realistic) outcome tbh

My hope is that the Lib/NDP total seats is greater than 170 so we can have a stable left-leaning minority. Looks like they’re on pace to pull it off. Close tho.

Eat it, Bernier

Breaking 170 is looking likely, esp if you throw in the Greens.

would have liked to see a few more ndp seats...

NDP not having a good showing but still has the balance of power. Lisa Raitt and Goodale both losing their seats (probably). One more seat than I expected for the Greens.

Also lol @ “mad max”

What a sack of shit you are max

Too early to call for Goodale really.

If we carved out the large stretch of land including Nunavut, northern Manitoba, and northern Ontario, we could orm a social democratic republic. Maybe we should all move there and separate. Weather might be better on Pacific coast, though.

xps yeah, I expect Goodale to pull through.

Ok. Goodale was destroyed! Hope some ridings in BC turn so dramatically from the liberals - to ndp. Ie. Van centre

Theres no way van centre, van granville, or burnaby north seymour are going to go ndp imo. Van granville looking to go Tory even

Oh Jody Wilson-Raybould is ahead now

I am sad about svend

did tories really win popular vote?

Van Centre wont go ndp tonight but with Hedy gone next time and Breen again, it might.

did tories really win popular vote?

34% isn't winning imo but, yes, it looks like they did get more votes than any other individual party, certainly less than Liberals + NDP together.

The 25 NDP MPs will have a lot more influence than the larger number under Mulcair and the far larger number under Layton in the previous Parliament, and I'm glad it's happening under Singh and with the current NDP platform. I'm interested in where their losses were, though. Was it mostly QC seats that went to the Bloc??

ya - looks like they got smoked in QC and possibly lost a couple in the prairies

Does anyone know much about the Fredericton riding? Is it centred around a university? I'm curious about the Green pickup there.

he holds the balance of power tho, so despite losing a bunch of seats he arguably has more power than any federal NDP leader in my lifetime.
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Does anyone know much about the Fredericton riding? Is it centred around a university? I'm curious about the Green pickup there.

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It has 2 universities and a college and has elected a green mla a couple times

he holds the balance of power tho, so despite losing a bunch of seats he arguably has more power than any federal NDP leader in my lifetime.

Layton was in a similar situation under Martin but, yep, I totally agree that Singh's caucus will have more power than the NDP had in the two previous Parliaments; that was what I meant.

Thanks, jim.

looks like the east coast were hit with misleading robocalls from one of the "canada proud/strong" groups. hopefully more than some rando jr staffer go to prison over this. conservatives got off super easy last time, so obviously we're seeing it happening again.

xpost - i had totally forgot how close that minority situation was for Martin/Layton.

Trudeau sorta looking like the loser there.

those speeches were a clusterfuck