Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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Right back pocket: plectrums (currently numbering three)

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:35 (three weeks ago) link

I’m finding it oddly fascinating! Xp

alomar lines, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:35 (three weeks ago) link

Left front: phone and wallet. They're both rectangles.

Right front: keys and handkerchief. If I acquire coins I guess I put them there too, but try to get rid of them as soon as possible because I don't like the jingling.

If it is cool enough for me to wear a sportcoat I get a bunch more pockets and can accommodate more things. Glasses, pens, a notebook, a book, a pocketknife, a flask of bourbon, gloves.

solos that go widdly widdly widdly (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:00 (three weeks ago) link

how can one put a wallet in their front jeans pocket ??
mine doesn't even fit in the back pocket... (and it would be very uncomfortable anyway).

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:24 (three weeks ago) link

I have put my wallet in my front pocket for 30+ years. Fits easily

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:32 (three weeks ago) link

how can one put a wallet in their front jeans pocket ??

My wallet's not gigantic (I don't have a million cards in it), I'm relatively skinny, and I don't wear super tight-fitting jeans.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:33 (three weeks ago) link

Wallet in front pocket is one of the only valuable life tips my father ever passed on to me. It's harder for someone to steal it that way, he said, and he's right.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:34 (three weeks ago) link

eheh, ok, that's a good reason (if you manage to put it in) !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:39 (three weeks ago) link

Nothing in back pockets, ever, back pockets are decoration as far as I'm concerned. I see kids walking around with phones sticking out of their back pockets all the time and I just wonder how they are not always sitting down on their phones and breaking them.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:42 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, phones in back pockets is heresy to me.
It's funny because for a long time I couldn't understand how many girls I knew could make their phones fall in the toilets... I only found out recently, when one explained to me, that it was because they put their phones in their back pocket !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:47 (three weeks ago) link

otm about wallets in back pocket=target for pickpockets.

Yerac, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:51 (three weeks ago) link

how can one put a wallet in their front jeans pocket ??

Easy if you've got one debit card.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:57 (three weeks ago) link

Nothing in back pockets, ever, back pockets are decoration as far as I'm concerned.

OTM, apart from plectrums and the odd scrap of paper

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:58 (three weeks ago) link

re: cashless, san francisco just passed a law outlawing stores that don't take cash.

akm, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:41 (three weeks ago) link

the nearest coffee shop to my house not only doesn't take cash but doesn't take chip either. you have to have tap to buy anything. this is probably a niche problem but i don't have tap on my debit card and my cc is often maxed out at some stage during the month (i max it out and clear the balance monthly, lol i am broke)

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:44 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve always carried my wallet in right back pocket, phone in right front, keys from left back belt loop, tucked into back pocket. This thread is making me reconsider the wallet. My wallet is a bulky leather thing and with certain pants, I imagine it presenting itself appealingly to would-be thieves by hanging slightly open from its weight. I’ve pondered re-evaluating the wallet chain, but it’s way more appealing to just get a smaller wallet and carry in my empty left front pocket. Thing is: I have cards for everything. Card reader at work, transit card, debit, grocery club cards, library card, and so on. They can’t digitize these cards fast enough for me. Though I’m in the bay area, I don’t see a lot of Apple Pay or near field readers at the stores I frequent.

beard papa, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:54 (three weeks ago) link

Jim, sounds like they're trying to keep out the likes of you. I wouldn't mess with them on principle

maffew12, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:58 (three weeks ago) link

I don't really feel comfortable keeping my wallet in any jeans pocket

luckily I live in a climate where wearing some form of jacket is almost always necessary, so it goes in the inside jacket pocket or side if it's zipped

Number None, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:06 (three weeks ago) link

I do wallet front left and everything else (phone, keys, change) in front right. This used to work pretty good, but I've since bought a new slightly larger phone and all of that together doesn't fit comfortably in my right pocket anymore. I need to either move something to my wallet pocket (which would require having a smaller wallet) or figure out a way to reduce the amount of keys I carry around. I already got rid of my small swiss army knife I used to carry around everywhere (having a knife, screwdriver and scissors always available is so fucking convenient!) and I feel like there's no good solution here.

silverfish, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:08 (three weeks ago) link

One from the PS4 thread but:- the death of couch multiplayer video games. if you want to play with your friend, you both need a console and a copy of the game and a headset and you play in your own homes.. bit sad really. Video games were a sociable experience when I was a teenager

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

in fairness playing while talking with your pals on the headset is quite social

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:18 (three weeks ago) link

the nearest coffee shop to my house not only doesn't take cash but doesn't take chip either. you have to have tap to buy anything.

Whoa, is this how it is in Vancouver now? Where I live, every time I tap, the person at the counter is still surprised to see the tap, it has not really caught on.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 21 October 2019 22:28 (three weeks ago) link

Compared to the US, Canada is a lot tap friendlier. And compared to North America, it was nearly completely ubiquitous when I was in Poland and it worked with Apple Pay, no exceptions found. Makes me feel very backward at home

mh, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:53 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, considering how in Canada it feels like we are always 1 or 2 years behind the U.S. technology-wise, it's always weird to me every time I go to the U.S. how they seem to be far behind everybody else when it comes to credit card technology.

silverfish, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:54 (three weeks ago) link

Its crazy to me how even the little handheld credit card machines are not ubiquitous in here the USA. Sometimes in canada at bars or restaurants I will still occasionally slip up and start to hand the server my credit card and they will be completely amused that Americans consider it normal to hand their credit card to a complete stranger.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:48 (three weeks ago) link

And the weird bit where the server goes away and something happens, and then they hand the card back to you, and then you add the tip, then the transaction finally happens once you're gone - that this is all fine is pretty They Live tbh.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:57 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah I was not prepared for that having had a fourteen year gap between visits to the US and pretty much used cash only the previous time.

nashwan, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:15 (three weeks ago) link

Rest assured I still tipped well and I don't mean the British well

nashwan, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:15 (three weeks ago) link

The big handsome mechanical flipboard or lightbulb-array signs showing arrivals and departures at the train station, ferry terminal, and so forth have been replaced by TV screens. Less maintenance, more visibility from a distance, and now you get to wait through an ad before you can see when the next boat is.

mick signals, Friday, 1 November 2019 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

That reminds me, I miss the old mechanical voting machines. I felt I had truly voted when I pulled that big lever back. The current Scantron-style voting system elicits no feeling at all.

Josefa, Friday, 1 November 2019 19:16 (two weeks ago) link

was typing in word with track changes running and was getting pissed at the latency screwing up my flow. granted, turning off track changes sped up the response, but it reminded me of this article from a little while back:

https://gizmodo.com/the-one-way-your-laptop-is-actually-slower-than-a-30-ye-1821608743

andrew m., Friday, 1 November 2019 20:31 (two weeks ago) link

Latency is also a big issue with audio sequencing and electronic music-making. Modern audio sequencers for Windows or MacOS sit on top of a complex operating system that manages everything with APIs, so they can't communicate directly with the bare metal. The greater speed of modern hardware compensates for the layers of abstraction but even small delays can sound off.

Early drum machines used a simple clock trigger input as a synchronisation source - essentially a sharp CLICK! - and because the machines didn't have an abstraction layer they responded more or less instantly to clock inputs. Before MIDI was introduced in the 1980s synthesisers used CV/Gate to communicate with each other. It was a mixture of control voltages and click pulses that responded at the speed of light without having to pass through an 8-bit CPU first. Vince Clarke famously gave up on MIDI in the 1990s because he felt that it had a jittery clock, and if there were a lot of MIDI devices in a chain the jitter became noticeable.

There has been a resurgence in CV/Gate over the last few years. In the late-80s-90s-early 2000s it was dead as doornail. A bunch of modern retro analogue synthesisers have CV/Gate ports, and Arturia and others sell modern sequencers with CV/Gate outputs. Korg's battery-powered Volca instruments have simple clock trigger inputs, as do the Teenage Engineering Pocket Operators. Here's a video I did a while back where all the instruments are being driven by CV/Gate or clock trigger pulses coming from an ancient Power Macintosh G5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRj2AOxwK5E

Digital audio sequencers also have trouble with latency. Again it's less of an issue than it was in the 2000s, but if you mix virtual and live instruments it can get awkward. In the early days of VST instruments a lot of musicians still hung on to Atari STs driving Akai samplers because the latency was lower; the ST still has a tiny cult following today because the signal path is basically Cubase -> MIDI Out -> Instrument rather than Cubase -> I/O buffers -> Windows I/O APIs -> Windows sound subsystem.

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 2 November 2019 18:29 (one week ago) link

this right here is a motherfuckin POST

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Saturday, 2 November 2019 18:55 (one week ago) link

In the late-80s-90s-early 2000s

During which electronic music all sounded terrible because of “jittery clocks”

El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 November 2019 19:06 (one week ago) link

xxpost

Awesome post!

beard papa, Saturday, 2 November 2019 19:12 (one week ago) link

I can highly recommend an Innerclock Systems Syncgen pro to fix sync issues. Cost about £300 on Ebay and fixed all my issues syncing a load of Elektron boxes to Ableton back when I was doing live pa stuff. Total liberty having to do that in this day and age though!

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Saturday, 2 November 2019 19:14 (one week ago) link

I would legit pay £50 to have every device I ever use accept (the lowest level of) all cookies for lyfe without me having to click anything

kinder, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:02 (three days ago) link

my niece from abroad has been travelling round Europe and since she came to the UK she thought there was some setting broken on her phone due to constantly being asked to accept cookies
Also lots of US sites I can't access "due to GDPR"

kinder, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:03 (three days ago) link

i still can't read the ny daily news

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:20 (three days ago) link

I'm consistently shocked by how many mobile websites remain unnavigable garbage. The format has been around for a while now, y'all.

Maybe you wanna lay off the Mountain Dew, there, Burt. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:52 (three days ago) link

I miss cartoons, like actual cartoons as opposed to super-creepy uncanny valley 3D-rendered affairs where everyone and everything looks like custom fetishware

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:07 (three days ago) link

I have got used to the experience of clicking a link to a mobile website and getting an opaque grey box covering the text and stopping me from scrolling. I have no idea whether it's a pop up ad or a cookie or gdpr thing. Won't even bother clicking NYT or Times links any more.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 16:44 (three days ago) link

I miss cartoons, like actual cartoons as opposed to super-creepy uncanny valley 3D-rendered affairs where everyone and everything looks like custom fetishware

I feel ya but I don't think this counts as a technological backward step so much as us not keeping up with the aesthetics of the time, sadly.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:00 (three days ago) link

They redid the bathrooms at work so now when I'm sitting and move slightly it will flush automatically, resulting in 2-3 flushes per event rather than the usual 1.

joygoat, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:20 (three days ago) link

Exact same here. Bloody things.

stet, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:24 (three days ago) link

clicking on a headline and google opening an app or a formatted-for phone-page with a load of pain in the ass features

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:26 (three days ago) link

They redid the bathrooms at work so now when I'm sitting and move slightly it will flush automatically, resulting in 2-3 flushes per event rather than the usual 1.


Auto flushing toilets scare my kid, so I drape a small piece of tissue over the sensor.

beard papa, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 02:06 (two days ago) link

I have got used to the experience of clicking a link to a mobile website and getting an opaque grey box covering the text and stopping me from scrolling.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l1BgRViJVF8ZW686s/giphy.gif

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 02:23 (two days ago) link

I miss cartoons, like actual cartoons as opposed to super-creepy uncanny valley 3D-rendered affairs where everyone and everything looks like custom fetishware

I feel ya but I don't think this counts as a technological backward step so much as us not keeping up with the aesthetics of the time, sadly.

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Oh yeah, totes mcgroats, and I realise I'm shouting at cluods here. But at the same time, it does mean that anything created on a computer a few years ago will look weird and dated. And I'm just not into nightmare dummy replicants walking around. I do like how the 'hauntology' aesthetic has moved from 70s stop-animation shows to the stilted polygons of original Playstation games. Vaporwave being the little brother of hauntology.

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 10:43 (two days ago) link

They redid the bathrooms at work so now when I'm sitting and move slightly it will flush automatically, resulting in 2-3 flushes per event rather than the usual 1.

They have motion sensors on the lights here, so if you sit there for too long you're plunged into darkness. And the sensor is outside the cubicle, so you can imagine the scenarios...

fetter, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 10:49 (two days ago) link


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