THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

The Brandt book has many respectable skeptics re Sheeran's veracity, but for the movie, who cares?

Yes, "who cares?" indeed.

sez the JFK fan!

David Ferrie is in the book briefly but apaprently not the film; too bad, Pesci could've done a dual role.

AFI Silver has just announced a run starting November 15. Landmark E Street has the film on its Coming Soon page, but no start date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j1T5xjwGJQ

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Does Anyone Care If Marvel Movies Are ‘Cinema’?

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I'm gonna say...Kevin Fallon, Senior Entertainment Reporter?

let's keep that M*rvel madness outta this thread

Quite a lot of Touchez pas au grisbi (1954) in The Irishman and that's a very good thing.

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I daren't visit the Marvel thread

seeing at MoMA on 11/9

apparently none of the Italian Beatles will be attending

Screening at the Castro for several days as well. Preceded byva screening of the recent Dylan doc w Marty in attendance

I saw it yesterday morning. I liked it.

Saw it opening night, it was very good. the first two hours were so preordained, so much gangster fan service scripting, so much special effects and explosions that i did have the "well how is this different from a marvel movie" thought but the last 30 minutes really redeem the film and act as apologia for scorcese's big dick bad guy fantasy fuel. DeNiro is fine, Pacino is a restrained as he's likely to be for the rest of his career and Pesci is fucking amazing as the most menacing grampa ever. He'd be winning a best supporting actor Oscar as long as he did the press stuff and is friendly on camera which i suppose he won't do.

it is a FAST 3 1/2 hours if you can believe it.

were you aware (as I only just became) that Sheehan's story is bogus, and if so how did it affect the experience?

Sheeran

Isn't every gangster story largely bogus

I don't know, maybe the peripheral details but not the central thesis?

I generally approach any gangster story as a fantasy.

some for me e.g. Goodfellas, Donnie Brasco have a little more life than others for being based on true stories

i was not aware of how "real" the story was but the meaninglessness of these gangsters' lives and their totally full-of-shit lives is absolutely at the heart of the film... so you guys are OTM with what i think Irishman (which was clearly meant to be called I HEARD YOU PAINT HOUSES and which it should be called) is about

I have no idea if it's bogus or not, but all sorts of ppl who've dealt with this world for decades differ on that. And I'm not interested in "deciding."

btw ulysses all the Osc*r supporting talk is around Pacino

Hoffa - GREAT ASS!

talk about a 3-hour film that felt longer...

were you aware (as I only just became) that Sheehan's story is bogus, and if so how did it affect the experience?

I don't know short of a ruling what would make an "official" debunkment but I found this enlightening

https://www.thedailybeast.com/martin-scorseses-the-irishman-is-a-big-lie-heres-what-really-happened-to-jimmy-hoffa

I don't get the point of making a big deal of this in the context of the movie.

I get why Don Shirley's family objected to Green Book (Joey Lips's white knighting) but this Scorcese film, if it's entertaining, whatever.

Zodiac was based on a book written by a discredited author who floated debunked theories and yet i enjoyed that one even with that knowledge

a 'countermyth' to JFK also part of this

a plausible one, true or not

i had some issues with this but the plot driving forward was not generally one of them. you thought it was slow morbs?

I haven't seen it yet; MoMA next Saturday afternoon.

Netflix will not release b.o. numbers, but there were numerous sellouts in NYC

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/11/box-office-the-irishman-harriet-wide-1202186843/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/movies/irishman-belasco-netflix.html

My "3-hour film that felt longer" was about Heat, by the minor-league Scorsese.

(following Neanderthal's assquote, which i have no memory of in the film and know solely thru ILX)

Ive always had less than zero investment in the mystery of What Happened To Jimmy Hoffa and am hoping that the movie's impact wont rely on me giving too much of a shit about it.

He manages a Walgreens now under the psudonym Todd Steele

i do care about what happened to hero of labor james r hoffa but yeah, this is a movie, who cares if its accurate

xp to morbs, ah gotcha.
fwiw within the film hoffa is not treated as a "great man" except in the sense that he has outstanding charisma. he - and basically every man who gets a screen credit - is a sociopath and sees violence and potentially murder as potentially useful tools.
aside from hoffa's wife, women have virtually no place in this world. anna paquin has maybe two sentences in an extremely halfhearted subplot.

This was ehhhh to pretty good? By the time it hits Hour #3, we thought, "Wait, why should we care so much about the death of Hoffa?" Joe Pesci and De Niro are baby powder soft and quite poignant, although it's impossible to separate our feeling for them as aging actors from the characters.

Nicholson as Hoffa was more effective.

The editing remains wizardly.

it is a FAST 3 1/2 hours if you can believe it.

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, November 3, 2019 1

Not really: often a pointless 3.5 hours.

Is there any nudity

no Jake

meh, everybody doesn't care about something

for me, it's old Pazz & Jop results

Is there any nudity

al pacino is fully naked from the waist down in each and every one of his scenes, a fact which has been embargoed from all reviews so far but which i can exclusively reveal here on ilxor dot com

"Just when I thought they were up, they keep pulling them back down!"

lol

Edelstein: “This is the first Scorsese movie in which the images don’t seem unified either by fever or by the kind of hard, rigorous focus that is fever’s opposite.”

I resented after several hours how Scorsese cast Anna Paquin only to restrain her to scowling for a total of 12 minutes running time.

Edelstein not OTM about the rich period detail of the RFK-Hoffa grilling. However, the set design for the HoJo in the last third, its pool, and shitty roadside lounges is fabulous even when the film's rhythms at this point resemble a solid episode of Mad Men (and it has that episodic rhythm of good TV).

Not really: often a pointless 3.5 hours.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 6, 2019

sounds like it was for you! I got there fifteen minutes before showtime to a packed house which means that, as the ten senior citizens I had to goosestep over to get to my seat suggested, I was very much trapped. you sip your soda slowly, i tell you. but the upshot was that the film flew by and by the time we got to the painfully nonredemptive end, I was unclear how long this was going to go on... which helped the drama tbh. If i had been watching this at home on Netflix, I can almost guarantee i woulda been half attuned and checking my phone, likely woulda punched out at the moment they introduced the new mob boss only to kill him. Another win for seeing things in theaters imo.

I agree, as I noted above, on Scorcese's lack of engagement women here (and, in general unfortunately), Paquin especially.
"why should we care about the death of hoffa" is really less the meaning of the film than "watch this brute sell the last of his scruples and kill his hero in the name of meaningless, sexless power"

I resented after several hours how Scorsese cast Anna Paquin only to restrain her to scowling for a total of 12 minutes running time.

weirdly I found her lack of dialogue quite affecting