PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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Currently 3/4 up Big Ben.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link

He mentioned going away somewhere, on holiday I assume, in the course of one his effing and blinding Spurs rants recently.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link

I hope for his sake he's on vacation holiday then.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link

> Currently 3/4 up Big Ben

this is the very opposite of a ditch

koogs, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link

I spoke to him in the week, he's probably enjoying some time away from ILX

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link

I hope for his sake he's on (-vacation-) holiday then.


ar a laethanta saoire

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link

Thanks lads!

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link

enjoying some time away from ILX


can’t relate

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link

I've thankfully got enough time to meet my next important deadline but procrastination is a helluva drug.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:40 (four years ago) link

Damn. I'm on my phone, will fp fred later when I get home.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link

Got your back calz, please give Douglas an extra pet from me

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:43 (four years ago) link

He's just having sedation for a pad he ripped on barbed wire to be stitched up. Not a good day forhim :(

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link

thoughts and prayers

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link

getting a bit squeaky bum time

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link

Gauke is backing

stet, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link

hnnnngggggggghhhhh

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link

Rory Fucking Stewart now's your moment

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link

if letwin passes tomorrow... no meaningful vote -> extension -> ???

??? is that right ?

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link

Yesterday the government was defeated by 12 votes on a motion tabled by Sir Oliver Letwin, the former Tory cabinet minister, ensuring that, when the Commons votes on the Brexit deal tomorrow, it will be possible for MPs to debate and vote on multiple amendments. For obvious reasons, the government wanted to restrict the chances for its motion to be amended.

Taking advantage of his own rule change, Letwin has tabled an amendment to the government motion tomorrow. It has heavyweight, cross-party support, with those backing it including Hilary Benn, the Labour chair of the Brexit committee, Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, and Philip Hammond, the former chancellor.

You can read the text of the Letwin amendment on the order paper here (pdf). The amendment would remove almost all the government motion (which says the Commons has approved the Brexit deal) and says the Commons is withholding approval of the deal until the legislation implementing it has been passed.

As Letwin explained in the debate yesterday, his aim is to close a loophole in the Benn act. The legislation forces the PM to request a Brexit extension if a deal has not been passed by the end of tomorrow. A vote in favour of the deal tomorrow would have meant there was no need for the PM to request an extension. But if the withdrawal agreement bill (WAB) failed to get through parliament by 31 October, the UK could end up leaving with no deal by accident. Letwin’s amendment would lead to the PM having to request an extension tomorrow, on the proviso that if the WAB gets through by the end of October, at that point the extension would be withdrawn. You could call it a backstop.

The Benn act passed by 29 votes at second reading and it is likely that the Letwin amendment, which is just intended to copper bottom the Benn act, will also pass tomorrow.

If it does, the make-or-break vote on Johnson’s deal will never actually take place. Instead MPs will vote on a bland motion (see below), which could go through on the nod.

At that point, if Johnson complies with the assurances that he gave to the court of session in Scotland, he will have to write a letter to the EU requesting an extension.

And at that point Johnson would have to decide whether to try to pass his withdrawal agreement bill by 31 October, to release him from the obligation to take up the extension - or whether to accept the extension, and then hold the election that Labour has promised to back in the event of an extension happening. He would campaign promising to implement his Brexit deal - against Labour promising a further negotiation.

This is starting to get speculative, but what is clear is that there is now a real chance that “Super Saturday” could turn out not to be the make-or-break Brexit moment people have been expecting.

Assuming that Letwin’s amendment passes, this is the motion, as amended, that MPs would be voting on. (The Letwin text, replacing 12 lines in the original, is in bold.)

That, in light of the new deal agreed with the European Union, which enables the United Kingdom to respect the result of the referendum on its membership of the European Union and to leave the European Union on 31 October with a deal, this house has considered the matter but withholds approval unless and until implementing legislation is passed.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link

cometh the hour, cometh the homonculus

cps

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link

xps*

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link

That's from The Guardian on the amendment

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link

meanwhile it's all going off in Barcelona

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link

He's just having sedation for a pad he ripped on barbed wire to be stitched up. Not a good day forhim :(


Poor angel, hope he heals up soon!

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link

if letwin passes tomorrow... no meaningful vote -> extension -> ???

??? is that right ?


Yes

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link

Extension till when, though?

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link

mid Jan iirc?

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link

31st January

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link

Thx.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link

Rudd is backing Letwin.

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link

edging towards a Christmas election, what a treat

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link

It would be preferable to have an election after a harsh winter has killed off loadsa old bastards

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link

Entirely different subject...but fucking funny

Chick-fil-A managed to last 8 days in the UK 🏳️‍🌈 https://t.co/gGw2lbN1Aq

— Jonathon (@coffeemadman) October 18, 2019

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link

Thank fuck there’s a film festival on in my city this week (and I’m not a psychopath who checks my phone in the cinema), I can spend all tomorrow watching films and not compulsive checking this bullshit every five minutes

YouGov to see it (wins), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link

I'll be watching a Blackburn v Town stream early KO, drinking early, constantly shaking my head at wtf is going on and watching it all horribly unfold. Will be checking on the WA vote in parliament as well.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link

im 8 hours behind the uk and a late riser on weekends so i will wake up to the results. a bit like fucking christmas morning, but much shittier

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link

lmao

https://i.redd.it/sr00c9o5ibt31.jpg

posting an image rather than a link because virgin deleted their tweet after this epic dunk

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link

Booming Tweet

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link

keep dunking on them until they are too scared to post!

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link

when I think about it if alcohol prices had inflated at the same rate as train tickets since the 90's you'd be paying something like £35 for a 4-pack of Stella

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link

I really hope Letwin passes because the number of Labour MPs pledging to back the deal is edging ominously upwards.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 October 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link

I read that at first thinking Letwin was poorly. Thought it was a bit brutal..

Mark G, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link

(xp) Yes, this prompted a rare bust up between me and Comrade Alphabet earlier on, but I have zero confidence in these spineless cunts not to fold and hand this shitshow on a plate to the ERG and the Britannia Unchained ghouls.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 18 October 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link

heard the *surprising* reveal that Gauke has come out for the WA on 5 live earlier. Wow I really thought this guy who had no objections to the nationwide UC rollout when he had the DWP brief was one of the more thoughtful and nice tories.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 22:47 (four years ago) link

just heard Super Saturday used on 5 live as well, lol

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link

Here's another one. Labour MPs are going to give us not only Brexit but God knows how many years of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/18/labours-melanie-onn-declares-intention-to-vote-for-brexit-deal

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 18 October 2019 23:10 (four years ago) link

fucking Grimsby, bomb the shithole.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link

O_O

The Boris deal gives companies a strong incentive to relocate to Northern Ireland. They’d benefit from frictionless EU access and future UK trade deals. Makes for a richer Ulster and, ergo, a stronger union. Leader in the Spectator: https://t.co/ZX9diw1xHL

— Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) October 18, 2019

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Friday, 18 October 2019 23:22 (four years ago) link

people in Sheffield are offering to drive Jared O'Mara to London

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:57 (four years ago) link


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