Johnson has no parliamentary majority Fred, his government is a lame duck other than this guff, Cornyn didn't vonc him yet to avoid the possibility of a sneaky No Deal
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
News that Juncker rules out extension actually lead to gasps during congress in Edinburgh just now from remainer professors at uni here. ‘What a time for him to be fucking sober for once’
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
Juncker can’t actually rule out the extension & afaict he didn’t actually do so
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link
So the idea is that Corbyn is going to shoot the deal down for political reasons, then win an election, perhaps, and then we begin again from the beginning? And you think we in Europe want that to happen, and aren't fully pissed off at everyone at this point?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
don’t make me tap the “not everyone in this thread is British” sign
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
He's going to shoot down the deal because it's a piece of shit.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
Yep it’s worse than the May deal even if it fucks the DUP more which is objectively hilarious
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, 17 October 2019 bookmarkflaglink
Suck it up, bitch
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link
No he is a Hard Left Brexit Trot
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link
no longer willing to say that any outcome whatever has a 0% chance in case tom d points and larfs but no single country in the EU is going to hardman 1:26 a refusal to extend (for the exact same reason hungary won't): it would fuck with their solo leverage in all other contexts
all bets off if a sizeable anti-extension faction were to form (but this isn't going to happen in secret, for the usual game-theoretical reasons: secret promises mean fuck all in diplomacy and no one will risk being out on a limb)
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
(sorry conversation moved on a bit while i was discussing amon duul ii's musical abilities on twitter, my priorities ARE in order yes fuck off)
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link
Yeah the Junker stuff is being overblown imo
― stet, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link
happy to talk about amon duul ii's musical abilities any time of the day or night
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link
i love em but the conversation is never going to be long after all
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
Nigel Farage going full FPBE is the M. Night Shyamalan plot twist we all deserve https://t.co/wK9v9q28Hs— Jonn Elledge (@JonnElledge) October 17, 2019
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
Farage staring obscurity in the face.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:50 (four years ago) link
There goes the peerage!
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
as long as he can still rage abt us still being IN NOT OUT he has media leverage
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
when Fred hits the thread, happy to talk about the grumbleweeds album with a scratch n sniff dog shit on the cover
― calzino, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
Keir Starmer has weighed in
Excuse the long thread, but I have looked carefully at the #BrexitDeal negotiated by Boris Johnson. Here is my analysis: 1/— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) October 17, 2019
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:59 (four years ago) link
If the next tweet isn't "fucking shit" I'm not reading
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link
lol Kate hoey opposes the deal
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
Already toeing her new Party's line
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
I bet she has been talking to her pal farage
― calzino, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link
Should start a "Has Kate Hoey joined the DUP yet?" Web page
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link
i lolled at the "first!" in keir's menchies = an account* called @keir4leader saying "keir4leader now!"
*certainly NOT keir's alt
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link
i lolled at the "first!" in keir's menchies = an account* called @keir4leader saying "keir4leader now!" *certainly NOT keir's alt
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
(ps upshot of my amon duul tweets is chris dillow of stumbling and mumbling following me, in "everyone is as bad as everyone else" news)
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
I hope that's not a reference to the musical abilities of Amon Duul II >:(
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
in terms of musical ability, ADII were not as "bad" as ADI (this was being a point of in-commune contention, occasioning a split *and* a boycott)
hence opinions differ which the biggest sell-outs were
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
I really dug Wolf City at some point many years ago, they'll probably sound like hippies to me now.
― calzino, Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
they were indeed hippies
― mark s, Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
heh! just mean it is not really my shit these days.
― calzino, Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
we're going to end up with johnson presenting the may deal 2.0 to parliament aren't we?
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:44 PM (two days ago)
i was right about something for once.
next guess: it will pass
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
it will.
― What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
certainly feels that way to me :(
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
nah he doesn't have the numbers without Hoey and the DUP, still time for some heuristic heel turns, obv
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:48 (four years ago) link
doubt it
― be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
I hope you’re right!
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
there's got to be a crowd of labour ones who will be tempted with the proviso that the alternative could be no deal
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
cornynbs obviously doesn't have them disciplined well either so he won't be able to whip them effectively
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link
whip has held up on deal votes so far
― be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
I expect there will be the odd Skinnock but hoping not many
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
I can understand ppl getting jittery but Johnson will need 20+ Lab MPs. The Tories that joined other parties won't back this deal either.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
it’ll be close but i think you’re right. and i’m not convinced all tories will vote for it either. But now that they have a deal to vote on, the quiet caveats continue. Ruth Smeeth has repeated the letter’s proviso on environmental policy and workers’ rights; Gloria de Piero, another signatory of the letter, said recently that: “at no point have I said I will back the Boris Johnson deal and the more details that emerge about it, the less likely I am to vote for it.” Everyone except retirign MPs will worry about losing the party whip, while balancing whether a failure to back a deal would result in losing their seat anyway. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/10/will-pro-deal-labour-mps-back-boris-johnson
― Fizzles, Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
ah right i didn't realize the letter writers had reneged already
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link
They haven't though.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
Depends if some of them break cover and say they don’t support it - early signs not promising on that front
OTM. Not a peep from any of them today.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link