pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

it's impressive that you manage to post with your head lodged so firmly up your own asshole

i mean like it or not 808s and heartbreak is as influential as primo or pete rock

and please you know my affection for irrelevant boom bap

I don't disagree. but are we talking quality or impact

cuz I do like prime-era Kanye productions. His beat for Scarface's "In Cold Blood" is dope.

it's impressive that you manage to post with your head lodged so firmly up your own asshole

new borad descripsion

i actually had a really long post typed out, but i deleted it because nobody cares to read that much. the crux of it: i'm an old school 90s hiphop head and i don't get it. all of my posts in here today up until this point were not serious whatsoever. i do, however, 100% believe that kanye's audience is, across the board, more intelligent than he is.

and yes, he was a very good beatmaker when he first hit the scene.

I know I am out of step with everything because when I think of "good kanye beats" the first thing that comes to mind is trina's "b r right"

yep

if he's going to get credit for his productions then he also has to get the discredit for rapping over his own productions

all of my posts in here today up until this point were not serious whatsoever

you clearly have a deep understanding of 'comedy'

> quality or impact

these lists are only about impact. Quality helped a lot of them with their impact, but it's not in the discussion at this stage, is it?

sorry I guess that was regarding the Kanye/primo sidebar...

i still don't get modern vampires being the consensus best vw album, it's their worst - so plodding! - and contra is their best

I get MVOTC now (six years old!), but I like my VW with more rhythmic tumult. Contra owns my heart because of "Giving Up the Gun" and "Diplomat's Son."

contra's the best. i love modern vampires but all the gloom about aging has... aged poorly for me

none of you liked the beats on DAYTONA?

contra's the best. i love modern vampires but all the gloom about aging has... aged poorly for me

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 5:36 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

loved mvotc when it came out, but i'm coming around to the idea of contra as the best album.

none of you liked the beats on DAYTONA?

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 5:40 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

kanye still has at least 75% of his fastball as a producer tbh, even that poopity scoop song hit pretty hard lol

Contra and Daytona, two albums featuring cover photos against the will of the people (or their estate)/people's things photoed. Part of their impact? Discuss.

at least 75% of his fastball

could never get into that. Liked Late Registration though.

you clearly have a deep understanding of 'comedy'
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:14 PM

nonsense ≠ comedy

still think the first VW album is the best, and it is the only one of theirs that I really love

this is like that time JAY Z went to the GRIZZLY BEAR concert

peak ‘kanye, more like Kanye NOT?’ dad hours

Kanye? KanNAY more like.

LOVE Daytona

one good idea with all those albums is they were all short

didn't much help his own though. no idea why he gives himself the worst production

Kanye is terrible these days

And, even at his peak, he was at best a mediocre rapper

he never had much flow so if that's super-important to you then I can understand feeling that way, but in his early days a lot of his raps were funny and really memorable and that more than compensated for the fact that no one's ever going to mistake him for Rakim.

can't we just have those memories then

would someone kindly tl;dr this for me:

https://pitchfork.com/features/article/2010s-decade-how-indie-rock-went-pop-bon-iver-grimes-james-blake/

he's a rapper like Puffy or Dr. Dre, also I'm assuming a big change in the perception is changes in who is ghostwriting for him

I mean, Cyhi the Prince doesn't stick around GOOD music because he moves units

used to be Consequence and Rhymefest

yeah, consequence and rhymefest can actually write, and judging by the bars cyhi gives himself...he can't

would someone kindly tl;dr this for me:

https://pitchfork.com/features/article/2010s-decade-how-indie-rock-went-pop-bon-iver-grimes-james-blake/

― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, October 17, 2019 11:23 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haven't read it yet but Jayson's a very good writer so I recommend you just read it yourself.

the thing i'm most annoyed by is that the design and illustration work around this decade-end package is just horrible

yeah what's the deal? it's supposed to look like iphone icons?

that's so this decade tho

go let them know
https://www.facebook.com/events/504028790391409/

None of these scenarios would have been thinkable for indie rock bands of previous generations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-ADAr9-Aqs

Shhh, don't talk about things that happened before Pitchfork existed. It upsets them.

I did a whole listicle about this in 2011 with 37 items on it

https://www.spin.com/2011/11/fear-slack-planet-hip-hops-indie-rock-crush/

lol perfect

would have appreciated including Kool G Rap's sampling of Feist but I am like that

nonE oF theSe scenArIoS WOuLD HAvE BEEn tHInKabLE FOr indIE RocK BANDS OF PrEViOUs GENerAtiOns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCBYPwT912M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTSUwIZdMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XhYEqz2Hu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMN4zawNEw

this is what i'm here for.

it's easier for me to now whenever a millennial or younger makes some big statement about music or movies online I just add "....since 2005" to the statement

the quality of contemporary music has been on a steady decline since 2005.

....since 2005