how do we justify Soroka over Strasburg and Max?
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link
MLB jocks
they aint too smaaaaaht
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
giolito and soroka seem like 'good narrative' picks, although they could also have gone with minor or lance lynn
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link
I didn't know Tom Tango had a formula to predict Cy Young winners: (IP/2 - ER) + SO/10 + W. Couldn't be simpler. Even there, still a toss-up, but he does give Cole a slight edge.
Cole -- 99.8Verlander -- 98.5
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 October 2019 00:46 (four years ago) link
Do you mean subtract the walks?
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
I cut-and-paste that from Tango's site...you would think so, yeah.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 October 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
Wait a minute: W = wins. As Tango says, he's trying to predict the winner, not determine who deserves the award, and by his estimation, wins still carry a little weight--about 10% of the total in his formula. Here's what led me to the formula:
http://www.billjamesonline.com/youll_ryu_the_day/
One of the things I like about the formula is that, although it doesn’t weigh wins as heavily as other formulas ( which certainly reflects the trend in voter preferences), it doesn’t entirely dismiss them either. It recognizes that wins still carry some weight with some of the voters, and can help sway some votes if pitchers are close in other regards. I think that’s reasonable – clearly wins don’t mean as much as they used to in winning the Cy Young Award, but they do still mean something. deGrom was able to win the award in 2018 despite a modest win total because his ERA was light years better than everyone else’s, but if it was closer, you can bet that his lack of wins would likely have become a bigger factor.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 October 2019 01:23 (four years ago) link
i'm sure noted hockey fan tom tango is just having fun with stats but we could also . . . just wait for the results
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 October 2019 02:14 (four years ago) link
On Monday, MLB announced the six candidates for AL and NL Comeback Player of the Year. The list includes Lucas Giolito, Hunter Pence and Jorge Soler in the AL and Josh Donaldson, Sonny Gray and Hyun-Jin Ryu in the NL.
― earlnash, Thursday, 17 October 2019 11:55 (four years ago) link
i'll take giolito and gray
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link
don't you have to have arrived in order to come back? i'd disqualify giolito and soler on those grounds, so it would be pence in the AL.
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
Pence's story has some teeth, finally coming home after all these years and having an incredible first half. He sort of checked out in the 2nd half but made a big enough dent for the BBWAA to recognize.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
Players selected Rafael Devers, Alex Bregman and Mike Trout as finalists in the American League and Christian Yelich, Cody Bellinger and Anthony Rendon in the National League in voting for Outstanding Player honors in the 2019 Players Choice Awards.— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) October 17, 2019
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
Pretty much 6/6 if pitchers are excluded...I suppose there might be another choice as valid as Devers.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 October 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
Marcus Semien
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2019 23:18 (four years ago) link
Forgot about him--a better choice.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 October 2019 23:22 (four years ago) link
mike trout and christian yelich have won the 2019 hank aaron awards as Most Outstanding Offensive Performer in their leagues
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
carlos carrasco = roberto clemente award
― mookieproof, Friday, 25 October 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
racist josh header, abuser aroldis chapman named relievers of the year
― mookieproof, Saturday, 26 October 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
Is he still a racist ?
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 27 October 2019 02:18 (four years ago) link
is he still an abuser ?
― mookieproof, Sunday, 27 October 2019 05:00 (four years ago) link
It was funny to see these two get honoured during the WS, seeing as both Washington and Houston reached the WS because of their respective screw-ups.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 27 October 2019 07:38 (four years ago) link
Xp I don’t know, I live with the certainly naive hope that people can grow out of racist ideology. Abuse I don’t see it the same way.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 28 October 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
fielding bible awards: http://fieldingbible.com/complete-votetally.asp
― mookieproof, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
What’s with Joe voting Cain the 7th best CF? Come on, Joe
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
James: "74% of you think that Trout SHOULD win the MVP, 53% think that he will. FWIW, I'd probably vote for Semien. I think that the argument that Trout should win because he is the best player in baseball is a legitimate argument, but that there are other approaches which are also valid."
Bregman, Trout, and Semien are only separated by 0.3 in bWAR, but that's still an odd choice that could use some explanation.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
depends on one's assessment of their defensive values, it would seem
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:50 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIyG74rVAAE2Usa?format=png&name=small
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 November 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
the astros were an average defensive team, weird
― k3vin k., Thursday, 7 November 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
Cy Young winners through the prism of analytics:
http://www.billjamesonline.com/back_to_the_future_part_4/
When I was new here, I had an epic argument with SF Alex over the '73 AL Cy Young (short version: I said there was at least a case for Palmer, Alex said open-and-shut for Blyleven). Daniel Marks says neither.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 November 2019 00:58 (four years ago) link
Actually, through the prism of Tom Tango's CY formula.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 November 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
ALONSO
robbed of unanimity
https://www.amazinavenue.com/2019/11/11/20959532/mets-news-pete-alonso-wins-rookie-of-the-year-award-new-york-mlb
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link
Both MOY votes were really close, for the first time in many years (I think)? Four or five managers in each league had legit cases for winning too.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 06:36 (four years ago) link
DeGrom wins the NL Cy Young, 29 out of 30 first place votes.
― omar little, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 23:39 (four years ago) link
Ryu gets the other
Verlander wins in the AL, 17 first place to Cole's 13.
― omar little, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
Cole wuz robbed!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 14 November 2019 02:22 (four years ago) link
Cole and Verlander had all the first place and all the second place votes. I'm assuming it's the first time that's happened.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 14 November 2019 06:43 (four years ago) link
Don't know if they got it right, but I thought Verlander-Cole was every bit as close as it should have been. (And the NL vote was every bit as not-close as it should have been.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 November 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
i don't know of a counter-example off-hand, but that seems like it has to have happened before. pretty much anytime 2 pitchers stand head and shoulders above the rest of the league, right?
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 14 November 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
i feel like it would have happened w/Johnson and Schilling, maybe, but i only found the 2002 results thus far and Johnson was unanimous #1 and Schilling won almost all the second place votes but several guys threw votes to Smoltz and Gagne (lol), they were so dominant mowing down a couple of batters twice a week or so that year.
― omar little, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
Cole and Verlander had all the first place and all the second place votes
see also trout and bregman
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 November 2019 02:42 (four years ago) link
I figured NTBT was talking about teammates
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 November 2019 02:46 (four years ago) link
oic
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 November 2019 02:54 (four years ago) link
Good laugh at the 6 writers who gave LeMahieu the third place over Semien.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 15 November 2019 05:23 (four years ago) link
Actually I wasn't talking about teammates. But considering it happened again the very next day, maybe it isn't so rare?
Usually there's one near consensus pick or a few really good candidates and a highly split vote, no? I thought that two consensus candidates would be extremely rare.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 15 November 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link
maybe with the "numbers revolution" blah blah blah voters are becoming "more informed" (or something) thus there being less variance in their choices
― brimstead, Friday, 15 November 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link