Here is @IlhanMN's official endorsement letter of Bernie. I'm crying. pic.twitter.com/5frgKhWYWE— Eric Blanc (@_ericblanc) October 16, 2019
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― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 11:45 (four years ago) link
it's good, and i like it
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link
My good friend's pastor is trying to run against AOC and she was asking me what the deal is with so many people disliking her. I was like, have you got a minute?
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link
maybe Warren's ludicrous tweet about the history of benevolent capitalist wages moved the needle here
â a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), 16. oktober 2019 13:05 (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Nah, AOC is a fair bit smarter than to base such decisions on tweets.
â Frederik B, 16. oktober 2019 13:19 (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
not what I said, but u do u fredzo
â a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), 16. oktober 2019 13:23 (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Help a poor foreigner with a shaky grasp of the English language out here. How the fuck is that not what you said?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 11:47 (four years ago) link
Whatever you say Morbius said, that's not what he meant. Whatever he said yesterday is no longer applicable if there's a cheap, lazy, cynical point to be scored today. How is this difficult to understand?
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link
Ur mom is cheap, lazy & cynical.
― Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 11:58 (four years ago) link
im saying it could've been "the last straw" or somesuch
unperson, cancel yr ass
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link
Okay, I still don't get the difference, but let me rephrase what I said.
"Nah, AOC is a fair bit smarter than to let a tweet be 'the last straw' or somesuch."
Look how easy it is if we help each other :)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link
So is anyone legitimately melting down over these endorsements or is this simply some weird horseshoe theory of "liberal tears" at work within an extremely narrow sliver of left social media?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
what the fuck
Reacting to the news that three members of the SquadâDemocratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omarâwere set the endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) for president, CNN anchor John King wondered aloud after Tuesday nightâs Democratic primary debate whether the move would help the progressive senator in the race or be seen as âtoo urban.â âItâs an extension of what we see tonight,â King said of the young progressive congresswomen of color. âA debate of who will lead the party and where the party is going to go. Which part of the party will lead the party into the 2020 election? They are more of the younger, fresher face. More aggressive and liberal. Less compromising.âNoting that the endorsements would âcertainly helpâ Sanders as he looks for a lane to victory in the Democratic primary, King added that they may have some other Democrats asking: âIs this too far left? Is this too uncompromising? Is it too urban? Is it too internet? Does the Democratic Party need to find a broader audience?â
âItâs an extension of what we see tonight,â King said of the young progressive congresswomen of color. âA debate of who will lead the party and where the party is going to go. Which part of the party will lead the party into the 2020 election? They are more of the younger, fresher face. More aggressive and liberal. Less compromising.â
Noting that the endorsements would âcertainly helpâ Sanders as he looks for a lane to victory in the Democratic primary, King added that they may have some other Democrats asking: âIs this too far left? Is this too uncompromising? Is it too urban? Is it too internet? Does the Democratic Party need to find a broader audience?â
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link
I've seen some pretty out-there screencaps but I assume like usual it's a pretty narrow sliver. I am expecting to see a fair number of pundits suddenly asking if endorsements "matter anymore" etc tho xp
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:31 (four years ago) link
e.g.
Canât wait to see how this registers, if at all. Weâve evolved past endorsements. No one cares. Will AOC be the exception? https://t.co/ae3JrCxYkp— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) October 16, 2019
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:32 (four years ago) link
I mean, John King is definitely right that it will frighten off some racists. But fuck that.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
I saw this exact segment last night presented on Twitter as ironclad proof that liberal anti-racism is a ruse, and it just left me scratching my head. Who exactly subscribes to this jackass CNN commentator's dipshit views?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Yeah it's quite narrow, those lines between Bernie Vs the rest (Hilary then Harris/Warren now) that were raised in 2016 and have a life of its own across twitter
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
I guarantee you that the gay HRC worshippers at the Joemygod blog who deeply loathe Bernie for his sedition of 2016 will melt down
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
bernie campaign 'too black, too strong', counsels cnn anchor
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
(but they are an echo chamber, of course) xp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link
The media take is already: Good news for Warren, the commie terrorist lovers didnât endorse her
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:37 (four years ago) link
my feeling re "does the endorsement matter" or whatever: if she/the Squad had endorsed Warren it would have been a huge deal for her and potentially a campaign derailer, if not outright killer, for Sanders. but now that they've broken they way anyone paying attention would reasonably expect, idk how much of a boost it'll give him on its own. but it sure as hell don't hurt.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
It's a good and reasonable endorsement, not very surprising, absolutely not controversial or a betrayal of anything. I'm not going to hate follow anyone just for the perverse joy of seeing them get upset over this.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
Very reasonable endorsement, very good moment to give it. I've said it a lot recently, but I like both Sanders and Warren being in the run right now. Only just skimming what happened at the debate last night, but it seems like it again was a good thing to have two leftists on stage?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link
One leftist, one hardcore capitalist, and 10 oligarchs.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:52 (four years ago) link
was bernie up there twice or something
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:52 (four years ago) link
I think the bigger and more important thing about the endorsement isn't the pointlessness of looking for upset Warren supporters, which is just silly.
Its more about any Warren supporters who might be surprised and wondering why. And thats a plus, regardless of what it leads to
― anvil, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
Do you really think it will be surprising to that many? It's not like people don't know who Bernie Sanders is, and what he stands for. They just don't like it.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:38 (four years ago) link
Logically, of course it shouldn't be a surprise. But people often don't work in that way, so yes I'm sure there will be a not insignificant number of people that genuinely are surprised. People like my colleague, who thinks UK centrist politician Jess Phillips and AOC are analogous because 'bolshy'. People make candidates, all candidates, into things that they aren't, and events puncture illusions
― anvil, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:49 (four years ago) link
I tend to lean Warren over Sanders but I trust "the squad" to speak for me 100% so yeah, this endorsement gets me to switch
― frogbs, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
I think we're talking past each other. I really don't see that many Warren voters as being surprised that AOC was closer to Sanders, and the reason that she gave for it. I think most of them just prefer Warren. Sanders was much more well-known at the beginning of the proces, and Warren managed to move past him anyway. I don't think it's because they didn't know who these people were.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
It didn't change my mind, but I'm glad they did it because now they'll force Warren to clarify her vaguer points. If she gets elected, I want them to nag the hell out of her.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
Sanders and Warren are not the same. Sanders is closer to AOCâs positions and political worldview. Why would she have ever endorsed Warren?
Itâs cool that Warren is mainsreaming some of these ideas that were still seen as outre, but she is not as left as Sanders on many issues, including foreign policy. And it is (of course) meaningful that she says stuff like âfor most of american history, workers benefited from corporate profits in a fair mannerâ
― treeship., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
â treeship., 16. oktober 2019 16:16 (thirty-two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
Because Warren is going to win, and Sanders is not :)
(this is not a fact, but it's definitely something AOC will have thought about before she endorsed)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
Frederik B playin' FAMILY FEUD!
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
The media take is already: Good news for Warren, the commie terrorist lovers didnât endorse herâ Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:37 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
â Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:37 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
This doesn't make sense at all to me. I feel like the Squad generally has broader support than Bernie? Like, there are a lot of AOC/Squad fans who are not at all DSA types but are excited about women of color who firmly Stand Up to Trump. This includes plenty of people who voted for Hillary in the 2016 primary and who support Warren now. I've already seen expressions of disappointment on Twitter that Bernie got their coveted endorsement instead.
I guess it's good news for Warren if it means that Trump can't tar her with that association, but I also feel like a Squad endorsement of Warren could've allowed her to consolidate support from Squad fans who are otherwise considering Sanders or Harris.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
I wish people would stop treating Twitter as being representative of anything real
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link
OTM
"Liberals I hate read on Twitter" is not an actual political constituency.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
OK, so do you think my impression is off-base?
― jaymc, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
I mean, I guess I count myself among this constituency -- I'm v. enthusiastic about AOC (and the Squad in general) but support Warren. That said, I'm not surprised by the endorsement.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link
A lot of the ppl who "like" AOC, as with most Americans who like things, are short on details.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
Well, you'd know.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
jaymc, I think it largely comes down to who you follow.
I haven't seen anyone complaining about these endorsements, but I've seen a ton of people saying there's someone complaining about them.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link
Here's one (which is obviously just one data point):
Sad to hear that most of the squad will be endorsing fucking Bernie. I hope Ayanna Pressley doesn't go in on this.— Laura Bogart (@LDBogart) October 16, 2019
― jaymc, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
It's worth nothing once again that the majority of Bernie backers don't "hate" Warren.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
FWIW, I don't hate Bernie, either. I'd be happy if he got the nomination.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
yeah if Warren gets the nom I'm sure they'll be rallying hard behind her
― frogbs, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link
Anyway, am I wrong that the Squad has a broader base of support than Bernie does? Or are they simply too "divisive" for their endorsement to have a positive effect for anyone other than Bernie?
― jaymc, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:57 (four years ago) link
jaymc i don't think you're wrong, at least not anecdotally. one of the biggest in-the-tank-for-hillary people i know is a huge aoc fan
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 14:59 (four years ago) link
I think it will have a positive effect, but maybe not enough to give him the boost he needs to win this thing.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link
I suspect the number of Bernard Brothers who will be pissed if Warren gets the nom is roughly the same as the number of Squad fans who are mad that they endorsed Bernie.I have no basis for this, but it seems like a good thing to say.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
They have a big reach and base of support yes, but agreed, obviously not enough to swing anything (ultimately, its where the Biden votes go once he's out thats more important)
― anvil, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link