suncream, zits and wrinkles: rolling skincare thread?

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I know I'm a shill for The Ordinary but their squalane balm cleanser is seriously good.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link

I only washed my face morning and night and did a moisturizer at night until I hit my 40s. I really should've used a daily spf but I think I did well enough by being a vampire and always walking in the shade. I agree with the above about visiting a dermatologist at least once if you are able. Or getting some kind of consultation about your skin type. It's on the pricier side, although the bottle lasts a long time (half a year?), but I loved Kiehls ultra moisturizer for over a decade and was thinking of going back to it, I have never found a drugstore brand of face moisturizer that I like. If you buy one thing at kiehls they are very good about giving lots of samples. I am bad about moisturizing for the day but at night I slather it on my face. I have typical sensitive, oily asian skin so even though my skin doesn't feel thirsty, at night I make sure to keep it super moisturized. Also, insert mandatory *drink a lot of water*. I am a water pusher.

I think retinols are too early? I only just started dabbling in it. If you are outside for an hour I would definitely do a daily spf. Everything I have liked has been $20ish+ for a small bottle, because I also hate the feel of it (most recent is la roche posay anthelios line that was decently priced when on sale). I think any drugstore facewash is fine.

Yerac, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link

Not wearing sunscreen catches up to you. The sunspots will just magically start appearing one day.

Yerac, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:50 (four years ago) link

Is that that ball of fire thing I see a few times a year?

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link

I think of serums as doing the fixing and moisturisers as making my skin feel comfortable. So if you don’t feel like you have anything to fix, I guess you’ll be OK with just moisturiser (lucky you, ha!) and then it’s a bit of trial and error until you find one you like because it’s a bit of a personal thing.

Retinol is pretty harsh and gives loads of people dry patches around the nose and mouth if they go in too strong so I wouldn’t touch it unless you think you need it and then introduce it gradually. The Ordinary’s 0.2 in squalene is good and gentle if you start with it every other day.

I like balm and cream cleansers which you remove with hot water and a cloth because it’s a bit of daily exfoliation. My favourite is Garancia but I don’t know if you can get that in the US (I have to stock up on trips to France). Over here Superdrug does one which costs about £3 and is very good for the price - there must be a good value version over there.

I don’t like the feel of sunscreen so I use a tinted moisturiser with it in (and a Vit C serum now that I have sun patches appearing; it’s surprisingly effective at toning them down).

Madchen, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 07:00 (four years ago) link

i didn't start skincare until i started transitioning in my 40s, but i've had really good results from just some really basic stuff. cetaphil facial cleanser, some vitamin c for the sunspots, and cerave moisturizer with sunscreen. it's made a huge difference in my skin.

Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link

I thought I still had very nice skin until I went to sephora to figure out foundation for an event and they did the deep analysis matching thing and I saw the scary sun damage that wasn't yet visible. My spouse started having sun spots and deeper lines come out in full force in his mid 40s so I have been mandating the spf and moisturizer.

Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

Steve:

SPF: try a Korean one like cosrx or biore. They’re super light weight and generally don’t leave a white cast and are also affordable. Slather it on generously. Technically you should reapply every time you go outside but no one does that. Available on amazon for $10-15

Moisturizer: this is a sealant. You gotta put it on damp skin to prevent transepidermal water loss. CeraVe makes a cheap and gentle moisturizer you can get anywhere. Slather it on lightly. $10-15

Cleanser: go for CeraVe here as well.

Routine:
Rinse your face with tepid water in the morning, moisturize while damp, let it sit a couple mins to dry down, apply spf.
At night, use the cleanser with tepid water, (use it with a washcloth once a week and gently GENTLY massage your face to exfoliate). Moisturize while damp.

Extras:
Vit C serum - this is for advanced users bc there are different forms and formulas and a lot of vit c products are bogus.
Retinol - see a derm
Chemical exfoliant - highly recommend introducing an AHA into your routine. AlphaHydrox (I think they changed to just Alpha?) make a 12% glycolic cream that’s good. Apply it at night, after letting your moisturizer dry a few mins. ALWAYS USE SPF THE FOLLOWING DAY. These products keep your skin smooth.

just1n3, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:17 (four years ago) link

Oh with the chemical exfoliant: patch test first! Some ppl are more sensitive to it then others. Start off using ONCE a week and increase to 3 x a week if you think your skin likes it.

just1n3, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:20 (four years ago) link

Moisturizer: this is a sealant. You gotta put it on damp skin to prevent transepidermal water loss.

oh, this is good to know!

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link

If you have skin that’s on the drier side, use a hyaluronic serum on damp skin first, then slap the moisturizer on top.

I like being fancy, so I DO pat my face dry after I wash it, then I use a mineral water spray to redampen it before applying products.

just1n3, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:46 (four years ago) link

you're gonna laugh but I use one of those little battery-powered fans to dry down the layers.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link

The sunspots will just magically start appearing one day.

This is true. I can't even with the weird spots on the back of hands and chest and one on my neck and wtf is that thing on my face. I'm using AHA and BHA products (Dr. Gross - lol but super portable for all the travel I do) to resurface and lighten these definitely-not-freckles.

Jaq, Thursday, 17 October 2019 01:05 (four years ago) link

I splurged on Sunday Riley good genes and will kind of wish I hadn’t because it’s amazing and my skin hasn’t looked this good in years and now I can’t go back!!

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link

OKAY HERE'S MY SKINCARE UPDATE:

CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser: this is... weird. I've never used a cleaning product that didn't lather and it's VERY off-putting at first just spreading goop on my face but after a few weeks with it I've gotten more used to it and it seems to be working okay. I don't mind it. I'd still like to try the Foaming Cleanser (I went to like 6 stores one afternoon trying to find a travel bottle of it and none of them had it in stock).

Cetaphil Moisturizing Lotion: this is annoying because the product is pretty thin and the travel bottle has an opening the size of like a dime and it's a real pain in the ass to only get a small dollop out w/o overdoing it. I'm still getting used to this, it feels superfluous and it might be making my face greasy throughout the day. I try to only use like a pea-sized dab and I think I'm acclimating to it but I don't feel tied to this product in any way and will prob try something different when it runs out.

Aveeno Daily Moisturizing Lotion: I had this already for hands and elbow and I have to say I prefer it for my face too. It's thicker and it seems to dry/soak up quicker. I've only used it a few times though and should prob use it a little more.

Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry-Touch SPF 30: This is fine. And for me, "fine" is probably very great bcz I don't mind it and I ALWAYS mind sunscreen. I think my issues are less with the specific product and more with sunscreen itself, like it goes on fine and dries to a nice matte and I don't notice that it's there, it doesn't feel sticky or clammy or anything on my face, but whenever I touch my face w my hands I notice it's there.

My routine is the cleanser in the shower, and then as soon as I get out of the shower I do the moisturizer, and then 15045 minutes later I do the sunscreen.

I've noticed that my hand touches my face a LOT throughout the day! Like when I put my elbow on the table and rest my cheek on my hand, that sort of stuff. I'm trying to do it less.

All in all I think this is a pretty good start and it's only been 2 weeks but I've been sticking to it pretty consistently??

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link

oh also after learning the thing where you put a blob on your finger and then make lots of dot dot dots all over your face has made applying minimal amounts with even coverage SO much easier! total game changer!

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link

I am very bad about doing the dot thing. I just smear it everywhere. I am good about washing my hands a lot though (because I also overtouch my face).

Yerac, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link

If your skin is on the oilier side, a foaming cleanser is fine. Foam usually dries your skin out. But if not, stick to the hydrating cleanser - one or two pumps and massage it into your face for a minute or two.

just1n3, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link

Aveeno Daily Moisturizing Lotion: I had this already for hands and elbow and I have to say I prefer it for my face too. It's thicker and it seems to dry/soak up quicker. I've only used it a few times though and should prob use it a little more.

A+++++ Aveeno is magic for my skin. Everything else is basura.

But if you feel like even a light lotion is making you greasy, as a person with oily-ish skin that is really well suited for braving the winter wind and looking rosy-cheeked without chapping, may I recommend The Ordinary Buffet serum? It's super thin and watery and doesn't feel "moisturizing" at all but it is making my skin P E R F E C T. And it's like $8. Which frankly is about HALF the price of a bottle of Aveeno.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 7 November 2019 00:08 (four years ago) link

Also it comes in a frosted glass vial with a medicine dropper top so you feel like an uber glamorous tincture.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 7 November 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link

Honestly I love the concept of the ordinary, I would be into that. I have also determined that I will buy everything at drugstore prices (i.e. anything at a rug store, and also the ordinary).

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link

I haven’t had coffee yet and was having a hard time figuring out how carpet pricing was factoring in here

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link

lmao whoops

quincie i want to come visit you so we can do our skincare together and make like a 45 minute youtube video about it

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 7 November 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link

I can introduce you to the ACID PEEL!!!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 7 November 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

okay I tried the CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser and it made my skin feel REALLY dry and tight! So I am sticking w the hydrating cleanser, which I just bought a huge bottle of from CVS an hour ago! As well as a big bottle of Aveeno. I feel like I have gotten into the skincare groove.

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link

insofar as I will prob just use these 3 products (cerave cleanser, aveeno daily moisturizing lotion, neutrogena ultra sheer dry touch spf 30) in perpetuity

I still have most of a bottle of the st ives apricot scrub but now i'm worried it's too harsh on my face and I don't want to use it

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link

you can use the st ives as a body scrub for rough areas or your butt.

Yerac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link

yes. . . just ask a booty cleaner

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 23:18 (four years ago) link

Yeah apricot scrub is great for body, definitely avoid using on face.

still swear by korean/japanese skincare, but I've cut down my routine a fair bit after correcting the issues I had last year (mainly that chemical exfoliants just don't work for me!). Right now it's:
- double cleanse: Banila Co sherbet cleanser + Hada Labo foaming face wash
- Cosrx snail mucin essence, which I use pretty much as a moisturiser
- Sunplay skin aqua watery gel spf 50

I will recommend Klairs Freshly Juiced Vitamin Drop if anyone wants to try a Vitamin C serum, by the way. it's not as potent as other vit c serums but it worked wonders for me, and isn't likely to irritate as much as some other brands might. it's a korean brand but widely available (and affordable) online in the US and elsewhere.

Roz, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 07:12 (four years ago) link

Ok so Sunday Riley good Genes and Skinfood Light seem to be my holy grails. Now I just need a good sunscreen. Is the wAtery biote one as good as everyone says?

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:03 (four years ago) link

I got the biore off amazon recently and it had a really strong alcohol smell that I don’t remember it having the last time I bought it

E, you might like this article about good genes and trying to find dupes: https://www.fanserviced-b.com/the-hunt-for-a-good-genes-dupe-17-lactic-acid-reviews/

Basically, she thinks using gg as a “special event” product and a cheaper lactic acid daily, is the way to go if you don’t have the $$ to drop on it regularly

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

isn't Glycolic the main active in gg? that article talks at length about lactic acid rather than glycolic.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link

They changed the biore watery essence formulation end 2017 I think? The reviews have not been as good, and yeah complaints about the smell.

The sunplay skin aqua sunscreen (also Japanese) has been my go to for the past couple of years. They have a few different formulas based on skin type, but all of them are super light and non-greasy.

Roz, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link

Xp no it’s 5% lactic acid at a really low pH

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link

Roz, I might try that Cosrx snail mucin essence. Is it sticky? some reviews say so but I think people sometimes review the idea of something rather than the reality. i use that Pynkyang Yul toner and might get the mist version of it.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link

The GG that's sold in the UK is a Glycolic based thing. I think it might be a different formulation.

https://www.spacenk.com/uk/en_GB/skincare/treatment/serums/good-genes-glycolic-acid-treatment-MUK200022775.html

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link

Yeah it must be bc that link redirects to their home page and if I search gg this is the one that comes up and it’s lactic acid

https://www.spacenk.com/us/en_US/skincare/treatment/serums/good-genes-treatment-MUS300023215.html

Very weird. It’s raved about everywhere so I’m surprised I haven’t heard this before. Can you c&p the ingredients list?

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link

SUNDAY RILEY
Good Genes Glycolic Acid Treatment

INGREDIENTS
WATER/ AQUA/ EAU, DIMETHICONE, GLYCOLIC ACID, SQUALANE, CAPRYLYL CAPRYLATE/CAPRATE, PPG-12/SMDI COPOLYMER, POTASSIUM LACTATE, CETEARYL ALCOHOL, PROPANEDIOL, STEARIC ACID, GLYCERIN, PPG-24-GLYCERETH-24, BIS-STEARYL DIMETHICONE, OPUNTIA FICUS-INDICA FRUIT EXTRACT, SACCHAROMYCES CEREVISIAE EXTRACT, CYMBOPOGON SCHOENANTHUS OIL, PEG-100 STEARATE, GLYCERYL STEARATE, HYDROXYETHYL ACRYLATE/ SODIUM ACRYLOYLDIMETHYL TAURATE COPOLYMER, CETEARETH-20, CAPRYLYL GLYCOL, CHLORPHENESIN, XANTHAN GUM, SORBITAN ISOSTEARATE, POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE, PHENOXYETHANOL, CITRAL, GERANIOL, LIMONENE

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link

& you can get The Ordinary 10% lactic acid with pepperberry in the UK/EU so it can't be because of restrictions on LA.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link

That’s a totally different formulation. So weird.

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link

really weird considering how much people love it in North America.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:24 (four years ago) link

jed, the cosrx snail mucin is a little bit gooey and syrupy, but dries down pretty quickly - definitely not sticky once absorbed. It's very soothing and hydrating imo, but I can see how others might not love the texture.

i don't know why it's marketed as an essence though, it's closer to a gel or something.

Roz, Thursday, 5 December 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link

“ The Sunday Riley Good Genes Lactic Acid Treatment (which is still available to buy in the U.S.) was pulled from shelves in the UK at the beginning of the year due to its lactic acid content. The Scientific Committee of Consumer Safety law states that products must have a pH level greater than 5 to be sold in the UK and EU.”

just1n3, Thursday, 5 December 2019 08:01 (four years ago) link

I just ordered a small bottle of the infamous biologique recherche p50. Think I might try those garden of wisdom lactic acid pads mentioned in the gg dupes article next.

just1n3, Thursday, 5 December 2019 08:36 (four years ago) link

I partly gave up on the ordinary and just went to my doc and got an rx for tretinoin/stieva-A (generic retin A) and clindoxyl, which use at night after washing my face. Still cleansing with Avene gentle cleansers. I use a Hado labo hyaluronic serum and the Ordinary Squalane for moisturizer. It’s definitely improved my skin after a month+ so that’s cool.

Though I’ve worn an spf tinted moisturizer for years or used mineral makeup, I’ve always had a bit of a reaction to it - I have yet to find an SPF I like and don’t react to :/ Canada has different rules for approving spf so options are limited... I just want to protect my skin dammit! Will keep trying...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link

I have a new bottle of The Ordinary squalene and couldn't remember what I was supposed to use it for. Moisturizer it is. One day I am going to do a deep dive about asian beauty products. I am going to be within walking distance of a large japanese grocery/drugstore for two months soon and want to be prepared. I started looking at the reddit thread on it and saw 50something year old man on there with such nice dewy looking skin

Yerac, Friday, 6 December 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

So, I am trying to revamp my routine a bit and try out a bunch of new things. I got the Kose Speedy Cleansing Oil, Mizon black Snail All in One Cream and some konjac sponges. I don't think I need a new cleanser. I have too much stuff I need to get through anyway (cerave, perfect whip, alpha skin). There is a Face Shop near me and a place that has a bunch of Hada Labo with testers so one day when I am prepared to focus I want to try to compare some of the other oil cleansers and moisturizers.

I am also interested in some of the MIssha stuff I see come up a lot. But I have some of the L-Ascorbic Acid Powder from The Ordinary I should probably start using (mixed with the squalene oil I had not clue what I was using it for).

I am also really interested in Tretinoin but need to use up some of the retinoid The Ordinary products first.

Yerac, Monday, 13 January 2020 03:19 (four years ago) link

oh wait, I did not get the mizon black snail thing. I got the COSRX Advanced Snail 92 All in One Cream. This snail stuff is confusing.

Yerac, Monday, 13 January 2020 03:46 (four years ago) link

forgive me for being a 3 yo about it but i find the whole snail phenomena gross and hilarious

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 January 2020 03:56 (four years ago) link

i should i find out what studies I can participate in where I just put random shit on my face.

Yerac, Monday, 13 January 2020 03:59 (four years ago) link


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