the Disney-Fox merger and film/TV production/exhibition hegemony in general

the disney and the hound (1981)

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Disney's The Swamp Disney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADesK3Wa_D0

I find it odd that they add the floating brand name to all their kid-friendly movies. It used to be Walt Disney's or Walt Disney (Pictures) Presents, now it's just Disney. can't wait for Disney Disney's The Kid.

woah snap, Shipwrecked is on there - might be a deal-maker for yours truly

"How dare Coppola say mean things about Marvel movies when he made [random bad movie]" is a weak sneer. Every filmmaker with a real body of work makes some bad movies. Stop whining, nobody's gonna take your precious two-and-a-half-star superhero films away.

— Mark Harris (@MarkHarrisNYC) October 20, 2019

The problem with Coppola's career go a bit beyond 'made some bad movies', though. Some of the blame for why directors have less freedom these days has to go to the seventies directors and how they handled the trust they were given.

I'm fine with Scorsese being discussed here, as soon as he makes a film set this millennium.

how'd you miss all the flip phones in the depahhhhted? also alec baldwin woo-hooing the patriot act.

A compromise is possible

figured it out.... marvel fans can call their movies “cimena”
• it’s not “cinema” so martin will be happy
• still pretty close to “cinema”
• you sound like a widdle baby when you say it, which you are

— jos (@josiahhughes) October 21, 2019

It’s just very funny how insecure nerds are in their complete cultural supremacy. Like calm down, Disney will be fine, they will keep shitting these things out forever whether or not acclaimed directors say they’re good when asked by interviewers. Unfortunately.

these same directors loved the B-movie dross of their own childhood (as do I!), it definitely stinks of "old man yelling at cloud" shenanigans

There is much to love in ye olde B Movie dross that doesn't apply to the machine-tooled fan servicey precision of your modern comicbook movies

yeah, like humanity

this millennium is boring

yeah I think I meant to use "sterility" rather than "precision"

Dr Morbius will today be played by Mel Brooks.

The Superhero movies aren't B-movies by any definition of the term. Also, I hate everyone on every side of this debate. The mega-directors of Hollywood who despair because two old idiots don't like what they do, and the two old idiots who wants to define what is cinema and what is not.

i'm not sure if giving your opinion when your asked a question about something is the same as wanting to gatekeep cinema

The real villains here are the idiot interviewers who keep thinking the most interesting thing you can ask a grandee of American cinema is “no for real though what about avenger 4”

i'm not sure if giving your opinion when your asked a question about something is the same as wanting to gatekeep cinema

― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), 21. oktober 2019 15:15 (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

When the opinion is 'that is not cinema!' then I don't see the confusion?

The implication of that is "to me", I'm pretty sure he's not going to tell aficionados of the genre that they can't use the word

Oh, come on

Well if you want a moratorium on ridiculous generalising opinions

I do! Of course I do! They're bad.

and the two old idiots who wants to define what is cinema and what is not

Scorsese is not trying to police anyone's taste. As for being an idiot...

the whole kerfluffle reminds me of when I referred to the first Iron Man movie, shortly after release, as "kind of shitty" cultural entertainment to an ex's friend and I had to backtrack when it was clear I hurt his feelings

but really, it's fine to enjoy all kinds of movies and books, whatever, and not everything needs to make you question your norms or inspire more deliberate thought. I tried to explain that I'd probably be watching all the comic book movies myself, but as far as media consumption goes, it's not going to shake up your outlook on life or leave you pondering the message of the plot.

the inability of people to understand a couple of guys can share a negative take on their overproduced fairy tale movie adventures and it doesn't mean it's to be evaluated as an objective truth is something that's lost on people and it's frankly mystifying

we should section off theaters in the way we do bookstores: everything gets labeled as "cinema" (literature) or "genre fiction" and then people can argue forever about how there is/isn't a distinction

That's such a bad idea

thank you! that was the aim

The point Scorsese emphasized in his followup remarks is that the production of other kinds of films is ending bcz of the comic-book epics. Per this thread i posted elsewhere, that is a stone fact.

Thread: If you think "Every Movie In Theaters Is A Marvel Movie" is false let me tell you a little story. I chose BODIED to get a small theatrical run of about 15 theaters. These types of deals are pretty much ineffective and just filmmaker ego driven - vanity rewards.

— Joseph Kahn (@JosephKahn) October 14, 2019

But that's not the fault of 'super-hero' cinema! That's a logical continuation of the blockbuster / tentpole paradigm established by Lucas and Spielberg! Without Superheroes, Disney would still make exclusively remakes of old cartoons, and Warner Brothers would make a gritty reboot of The Wizard of Oz, or something.

That's same shithead as earlier - I notice you didn't post his tweet about how if Marvel want to make serious cinematic movies, they should look at what DC are doing.

bcz I don't give a fuck

a fuckitty flying fuckitty fuck, in fact

it's like the dietary equivalent of theaters serving a guaranteed four screens worth of Doritos every week, and if you blink and miss the moment they shove a nice dish out on the buffet for a week, you'll get more Doritos

I love some Doritos in moderation, but this is getting insane

gentlemen you can't kvetch about comicbook movies in here, this is the Disney-Fox thread

But that's not the fault of 'super-hero' cinema! That's a logical continuation of the blockbuster / tentpole paradigm established by Lucas and Spielberg! Without Superheroes, Disney would still make exclusively remakes of old cartoons, and Warner Brothers would make a gritty reboot of The Wizard of Oz, or something.

yeah but superhero movies are the movies that are doing it now, today - whatever their antecedents are, the effect theyre having is what it is. Its not like he should have said 'those movies aren't cinema, nor would a theoretical different bad movie be, if it were to be made in an alternate universe where comic book movies don't exist."

it's like the dietary equivalent of theaters serving a guaranteed four screens worth of Doritos every week, and if you blink and miss the moment they shove a nice dish out on the buffet for a week, you'll get more Doritos

I love some Doritos in moderation, but this is getting insane

gentlemen you can't kvetch about comicbook movies in here, this is the Disney-Fox thread

'not food' is the analogy there.

I think Scorsese et al would argue that what is being served is not cuisine

in any case, as a friend is fond of quoting, there are many things you can eat that are not food

Are there really people who believe that what Scorsese meant was that marvel movies are literally not movies?

'I hate all these burger bars, they're not cuisine'

That guy would be laughed at :)

Yes, it’s silly of him to prefer to eat better food

Are there really people who believe that what Scorsese meant was that marvel movies are literally not movies?

― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 21. oktober 2019 18:49 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

He literally continued: Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks. I think you're underestimating how stupid Scorsese is.

So the way you interpret that quote is that he is so stupid he literally thinks they are theme parks

Can somebody cut and paste the definition of "rhetoric" cos I can't be bothered

oh fred b has bullshit opinions on things other than politics? who knew