Continuing my latest spate of posting to myself about citizenship issues
Irish/Polish lesbian couple literally unable to return to Ireland because their 15mo daughter is stateless: https://t.co/qQBLSRA7W2— mary mac (@marykmac) October 14, 2019
They say sections two and three of the Children and Family Relationships Bill, which deals with donor-assisted reproduction, should be amended so all children born through IVF outside the State qualify for Irish citizenship. While the Bill was passed through the Oireachtas prior to the same-sex marriage referendum in 2015, parts two and three of the act have not yet been enacted.“The Irish public believes all gay people have the same rights as straight people now, but we don’t,” Ms Deevy told The Irish Times by phone. “Nobody asks any questions to straight couples when their children are born abroad to an anonymous donor.”
Asked to comment on the couple’s situation, a department of health spokesman referred the query to the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA). A DFA spokeswoman said a person born outside the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen if born to an Irish-born, Irish citizen parent. As per the 1956 act, the State recognises the mother as the person who gave birth to the child, she said. The Department of Justice said it could not comment on individual cases.
Today I have dispatched the last piece of paper required before I can be pronounced Irish and the £6.20 it cost me to send it will be the best £6.20 I’ve ever spent. I AM COMING HOME IRELAND! (Thank you grandma who died 2 months before I was born. THANK YOU)— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) October 14, 2019
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 10:57 (four years ago) link
And here I was, thinking the child's best interests mattered above all.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 11:06 (four years ago) link
Not posting to yourself, I'm seething too even if I don't post here often enough.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
Yeah I take you & deems as given, I’ve long given up expectation non-Irish people give a fuck. Don’t think I got a single response in the UK politics thread about de Souza case.
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:45 (four years ago) link
I'm reading but don't think I have any opinions of worth tbh
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link
I thought I'd posted something about EDS there but it might have been one of the many things I type and then don't post.
It is totally- depressing how ready the UK govt apparently is to shred the GFA- depressing that NI citizens will have different sets of rights depending on which citizenship they have- depressing and weird that you get more rights by renouncing one citizenship than having dual citizenship (ironic that you now have more rights as a self-declared Irish citizen in NI, if it wasn't actual people's lives being played with it would be almost funny after all those years of gerrymandering and weird inheritance rules and so on)- bad that you have to pay and sign something to affirm that you are a British citizen but don't want to be any more, rather than just, you know, affirming your right never to have been one...
...but I think De Souza also says that even having to sign something to the effect of the latter would be too much. Initially this seems fair -- why should you have to? especially for something as useful and fundamental as being able to have your spouse move over, rather than just a political statement -- but I had been wondering about something asked (not answered) in one of the replies on that Twitter thread, viz: if you aren't automatically regarded as a British citizen, and the UK govt (+ the "largest political party of the largest political designation" in the non-existent-for-1001-days Stormont assembly etc etc) would surely not think NI residents were Irish by default, would everyone in NI be stateless until such point as they apply for a passport? That can't be the case (or bad side-effects ahoy, I would've thought!), but is there any other way to provide this default neutrality?
This is probably a v dumb and naive reading of things though, please do take me apart - gently (mentally in Hedonism Bot voice thanks to bg's cat)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
also sorry about the lesbian couple with stateless IVF baby thing, hadn't read about that, that is some bullshit
and sorry I don't know enough to have thoughts on the referendum re birthright citizenship but people smarter than me say removing that right was also some bullshit, so I'm going to go with assuming it probably is at least until I've bothered to read up on it (thoughts and good articles welcome, especially if the articles are brief, I'm afraid)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link
...That was a long post and on reflection I think the point is it should never have mattered and would never really have mattered if we weren't leaving the EU and limiting immigration rights, and in so doing limiting actual life options invoked by otherwise philosophical questions of identity
the interestingness (or not) of the philosophical point should be secondary to "just don't do the thing that makes it not purely a theoretical exercise" and I regret crashing in with sophist queries
tl;dr: this was all very delicately balanced by people who thought hard about it and worked hard to bring it together, and it's fucking reckless of the Tories/us Brits (sorry) to start taking chunks out of the structure apparently without any thought at all
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
Is thinking we should restrict jus sanguinis to parents only my most reactionary opinion? maybe!
Fellow Brits, stop tracing your ancestry back to some distant Irish relative and applying for Irish passports. Some of you have no shame.— jenn (@ScottishJenn_) October 16, 2019
But, if you understood that shared history folks are always going on about, you'd get how Brits grabbing an Irish passport and not contributing back, well, that kinda leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Especially when they go get into fights with people who actually live here.— Eilís Ní Fhlannagáin 🏳️🌈 🏴☠️ 🇮🇪 (@dirtycitybird) October 16, 2019
― gyac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
it boils the piss a bit when you see that emma kennedy example for instance where she is making light of the paucity of connection to ireland (although i am reading it that way because a) i dislike emma kennedy and b) it's one solitary tweet and it gives me no indication of her connection or not to irishness, her family may have been quite self-consciously irish, who knows).
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
the emma de souza situation is shitty for her but i can't help but feel big picture about that situation (reunification will sort it).
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
and the uk government are always going to be bad bastards regarding immigration and citizenship
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
If I didn’t know my Irish passport was coming I would be feeling furious that my long held desire to live in Italy when I retire had been scuppered. I HATE the loss of FoM. HATE it.— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) January 31, 2019
@katoi I’ve already started the paperwork to become an Irish citizen. No way do I want to be outside of the EU.— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) June 26, 2016
Joy. Just discovered I can apply for Irish citizenship. #iameuropean— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) June 25, 2016
Tomorrow I go to Ireland for the very first time. In 1938 my Irish Catholic grandmother came to London and met and married a Protestant— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) September 27, 2013
― gyac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link
i bet you can't wait for the Emma Kennedy selfies on Ballybunion beach #whoneedsNewquay
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
I imagine she mentions her granny being a Catholic to let any Irish people know that she is one of them, in more ways than one. Should I know ho Emma Kennedy is? I keep getting her mixed up with Sarah Kennedy from Beadle's About or whatever that programme was.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
Game For A Laugh is what you mean Tom!
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/thumb/5/57/Gameforalaugh_cast.jpg/400px-Gameforalaugh_cast.jpg
that sarah kennedy
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
Let's have a big hand for Jeremy Beadle. I've noticed Emma Kennedy was born in Corby, so she should be able to claim Scottish citizenship when Scotland becomes independent.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
for some reason I have this indelible image in my mind of Sarah Kennedy's face crudely cut and pasted inside a christmas tree bauble on the front of the godawful Eagle comic in early 1980 something
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vFMAAOSwBt5ZFb-I/s-l1600.jpg
definitely not how i remembered it, must be something else I'm thinking of
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
but she's down with the mekon.
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
sorry not about not Irish content, but my gran is from kerry!
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
Also there is an Irishman there.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
Henry Kelly is totes on-topic for this thread
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
After graduating from University College Dublin with a degree in English in 1968, he became journalist with The Irish Times, and was swiftly promoted to the post of its Belfast-based Northern Editor in 1970, at the start of civil unrest and The Troubles in Northern Ireland, a post which he held for five years. During his time in Ulster he published the book How Stormont Fell (1972), which is still highly regarded in its field
hmm 2 stars on goodreads 1 vote, nary a mention on amazon reviews even or nowhere else.. cracking work on your own wiki entry though henry.
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
If we are not to wait until the final act or at least an exhausted pause, it is necessary to be quickly in and quickly out. An excellent example of the problems and prospects of such an exercise can be found in Henry Kelly's How Stormont Fell (Dublin: Gill and Macmillan, 1972) that covers the period of Faulkner's Premiership, March, 1971, to March, 1972. Kelly, Northern Editor of the Irish Times, long a perceptive and knowledgeable if not completely disinterested observer of the Northern scene, has done a sound and balanced study, good journalism in the best sense of the word. And the book had an obvious beginning and end, came out in a rush while the iron was hot and a ready-made
j. bowyer bell on kelly's book
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link
lol that’s hilarious
― gyac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link
exellent!
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
in terms of actual good books by Irish people who later became tv personalities, have either if ye read It’s Only A Game?
― gyac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:53 (four years ago) link
yes, it's very good, as is a strange kind of glory, dunphy's book on matt busby (himself a member of the irish diaspora) is similarly excellent.
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
Duphy book sounds ace, my 3rd fave Graun writer Richard Williams reps for it as well.
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
It’s so good! Can also recommend Tony Cascarino’s book
― gyac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
The rocky road gets some praise as well.
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link
I met Sarah Kennedy once, must've pulled a face when we were doing a cheek kiss for the photographer cos she said something like "I'm not into this either" in a pissy voice
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2019 09:12 (four years ago) link
its probably the 4th or 5th time that Ive mentioned it on the board, but yes the Tony Cascarino book is excellent
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:09 (four years ago) link
But do you recommend any books by Irish footballers? <----- the old ones are the best
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link
I associate Cascarino with TalkSport and just assume anything to do with him is bad. ftr I don't even know if he is still a TS regular.
― calzino, Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:17 (four years ago) link
Idk but that book was pretty honest about him & his failings and as such is a lot more memorable than yr usual “we got a great result and the gaffer was over the moon” autos. Strong recommend alongside the Dunphy one!
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link
Believe me as a Celtic fan I don't need to read a book to know about Tony Cascarino's failings.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link
lol you should still read it though
― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link
Paul McGrath's book is good
Not light reading though, needless to say
― Number None, Thursday, 17 October 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
The button pushing scandal is fucking ridiculous.https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/1023/1085079-dail-votes/Something to be said for the Brits’ painfully slow method after all.
― gyac, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 08:59 (four years ago) link
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/10/22/ireland-queuing-to-see-the-look-on-arlene-fosters-face/
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
I’m actually dying. Is this real?! The best thing they’ve done since man falling on the ice, and maybe Bachelors Walk for my favourite RTÉ thing ever.
Excuse me? @rtenews 😂😂😂🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇 pic.twitter.com/ZCXwNoja2v— Holly Carpenter (@Holly0910) October 31, 2019
― gyac, Thursday, 31 October 2019 22:05 (four years ago) link
Haha I love it
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Friday, 1 November 2019 00:40 (four years ago) link
Really into this Reeling in the Years account, Seamus Heaney reading a poem while Dragostea Din Tei plays over the top is peak
pic.twitter.com/HuHL8s8Dm8— No Context Reeling In The Years (@ReelingDotJPG) November 1, 2019
― gyac, Saturday, 2 November 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
jesus rte
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 November 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link
The 2000s edition of Reeling in the Years was notably inferior to the preceding ones, especially from a music supervision standpoint
― Number None, Sunday, 3 November 2019 09:03 (four years ago) link
Or maybe it's just that life was
― Number None, Sunday, 3 November 2019 09:04 (four years ago) link