Big Thief - Two Hands

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Part of me kind of wishes the album just ended after Wolf. Cut Your Hair is v good though.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:35 (eight months ago) link

"the toy" is so perfect

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:36 (eight months ago) link

*cut my hair

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:36 (eight months ago) link

"replaced" is very red house painters

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:38 (eight months ago) link

... idk if i like this better than ufof

― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, October 14, 2019 8:32 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

never mind! this is their best record

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:50 (eight months ago) link

I'm willing to concede that "Not" is their best song, possibly the best track of the year from anyone.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:52 (eight months ago) link

i'm personally addicted to the extremely organic and fluid way this band plays together

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:55 (eight months ago) link

I wanna say it's their Amnesiac to their Kid A maybe..

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:57 (eight months ago) link

Really love their bass player

Heez, Monday, 14 October 2019 17:11 (eight months ago) link

i'm personally addicted to the extremely organic and fluid way this band plays together

― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, October 14, 2019 12:55 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

very much so, it's quite intoxicating. refreshingly, they don't really sound exactly like anything else, but there's something in their kind of swirling, mystical alchemy that reminds me of people like Van Morrison and R.E.M.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 14 October 2019 17:18 (eight months ago) link

i still get some Neil Young w/Crazy Horse once in awhile. on the more heavy songs, obv.

i hope they continue to remain vv prolific.

omar little, Monday, 14 October 2019 17:53 (eight months ago) link

Teenage Dirtbag, Bones, She Don't Use Jelly... All otm!

Finding it impossible to see 'Two Hands' as anything other than a companion piece to UFOF. The former feels more... major key, a tad more 'optimistic' and relatively care free than UFOF? UFOF is like this warm cocoon to crawl into, in the small hours, feeling very small. A shelter. 'Two Hands' feel more open, taking on the world more in defiance. I will need both records equally along the way, I know that much.

'Not' is, of course, a magnificent piece of art.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 14 October 2019 18:08 (eight months ago) link

this album is so good. love 'the toy' and 'replaced'

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 October 2019 18:11 (eight months ago) link

i'm personally addicted to the extremely organic and fluid way this band plays together

― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, October 14, 2019 12:55 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah this. Even the way Adrienne and Buck play together -- I suspected the lead on Not was Adrienne, and based on the late show performance it is, but Buck is actually playing a kind of accompanying lead part rather than just chords and they really just blend together -- it reminds me a little of how Ian and Guy from Fugazi play together.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 18:18 (eight months ago) link

i was intrigued by 'century' and checked out this record.. man the band sounds great and the way the songs move around feels very distinctive but the singer really is a lot. she has a nice voice when she's singing low + controlled; mostly she isn't doing that, and it's awkward. reminds me of coco rosie at their worst in a lot of places. i dunno, maybe will grow on me like they seem to have for a lot of you.

lumen (esby), Monday, 14 October 2019 20:26 (eight months ago) link

Really love their bass player

― Heez, Monday, 14 October 2019 17:11 (three hours ago) link

This record also was the first time I noticed just how good their bass player is, but I also think that his ability to not stick out except at just the right moments is part of what makes him good.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 20:42 (eight months ago) link

Re: that CONTROVERSIAL Big Thief tweet, this is correct. Like 'em well enough but if I've learned anything from the '10s lists and really 20 years of paying attention to this, the tasteful indie-rock faves of the day are never safe from the next wave of critics. pic.twitter.com/fGnhgi824c

— Ian Cohen (@en_cohen) October 15, 2019

yes definite vibe of this off this band and all the critic friends who are swoony over them

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:34 (eight months ago) link

Backlash cycles grow shorter and shorter

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:40 (eight months ago) link

i had to research what the controversial big thief tweet was and i would like those three minutes of my life back thanks

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:40 (eight months ago) link

I feel this more about Angel Olsen than Big Thief.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:42 (eight months ago) link

not sure i'd blame the collapse of the music media landscape on this phenomena which was observable at least ten years ago, and the fact that a nyt editor is pushing back against the deluge of love for big thief means the space for backlash isn't lost

also imo there is nothing "emperor's new clothes" about this band unless you just hear them as undistinguished folk rock, fleet foxes 2.0. which would be v superficial listening. which critics aren't immune from

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:45 (eight months ago) link

I'm not against the argument that something better may be out there, but if so, let's see it.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:47 (eight months ago) link

it's a very big leap to go from 'i don't like this hyped artist' to 'everyone who likes this artist is faking it for clout.' it reminds me of a (much less malicious) version of right-wingers calling liberals/leftists 'virtue-signalers'

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:51 (eight months ago) link

i don't begrudge the fact that 20,000 people pay to see billy joel at msg every month.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:52 (eight months ago) link

The Neil Young/Crazy Horse vibes are what take them to the next level for me, way above Fleet Foxes et al. I can't bring myself to stomach her voice, though – it's instinctive, and it's a damn shame.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:52 (eight months ago) link

agreed that it's a shame

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:53 (eight months ago) link

'everyone who likes this artist is faking it for clout' is basically chris ott's classic indie rock conspiracy isn't it lmao

ufo, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:55 (eight months ago) link

Might have to do with the voice as presumed seat of subjectivity and how it needs to partially mirror your own sense of self or whatever. Something about Lenker's vocals registers as inauthentic or false to my ears and no amount of discourse or autosuggestion can change that (well, for now). Everything else about them is wonderful.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:57 (eight months ago) link

but where is the 'hype' here? they've just grown steadily and got better over a number of years by... making consistent records and being a good live band over 5 years. its not like the attention is sudden or some sort of cooked up PR hype here... the PR isn't making the band - the band being good is what makes the PR job easy?

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:57 (eight months ago) link

journos shouting hype almost always translates to them being late to the party, and being convinced that if a band could get attention without them noticing, they must have been bamboozled by nefarious means

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:58 (eight months ago) link

i made a thread for masterpiece bc i heard the title track and "real love" and thought they were pretty tight and also at the time they were on saddle creek, who put out hop along's painted shut the year before. both bands felt special in a similar way. i'm def an unwitting victim of the pr machine

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:01 (eight months ago) link

I have lectured my charges over the years endlessly about the difference between "not liking something" and "something not being good" and I argue this band is not good. People love what they love. I'm just making a critical statement and a social observation.

— cganz (@mehpatrol) October 15, 2019

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:02 (eight months ago) link

I feel this more about Angel Olsen than Big Thief.

Agreed. I only listened to the new album once but it was a slog, particularly towards the end.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:03 (eight months ago) link

Reads like trolling tbh.

xp

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:04 (eight months ago) link

Agreed. I only listened to the new album once but it was a slog, particularly towards the end.

― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:03 AM (forty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

"I only listened to the new album once"

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:04 (eight months ago) link

journos shouting hype almost always translates to them being late to the party,

OTM

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:05 (eight months ago) link

When I ask if she will actually take a day job sometime soon, she responds instantly: “Yeah, probably. I’m not afraid to slow down.” The only thing that matters to her is longevity, flame-keeping. “I’m not afraid of needing to work at a diner. I know I can be happy doing that. I was just as happy living out of a busted RV, burning CDs and selling them, and playing shows for no one. I was happy doing that; it felt right.”

Yes, this definitely sounds like someone who is thirsting to be the new indie-rock queen. Nobody's saying you HAVE to like this band but the guy who tweeted out the original thing about "emperor's new clothes" just seems really small, not to mention a total jag.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:05 (eight months ago) link

pretty sure it's a lady, but otherwise yeah

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:09 (eight months ago) link

caryn is a woman yes

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:10 (eight months ago) link

Haha my mistake for assuming someone who would unironically use the phrase “my charges” was a man

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:14 (eight months ago) link

but where is the 'hype' here?

i dunno about hype, i think i might have heard of them before but didn't really know anything about them—a journalist teased the super-positive pitchfork review also in super positive terms and i took a listen. that journalist, along with what was just said here, seemed to be keyed to the idea of the band/records being special moreso than good, which is i think where the potential for critical disproportion comes in.

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:18 (eight months ago) link

what's this all about? I don't have three minutes

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:19 (eight months ago) link

This B*g Th*ef thing is the emperor's new clothes of 2019 rock, don't even think of @-ing me

— cganz (@mehpatrol) October 15, 2019

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:19 (eight months ago) link

Egregious bait works best.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:20 (eight months ago) link

seemed to be keyed to the idea of the band/records being special moreso than good, which is i think where the potential for critical disproportion comes in.

does "special" not imply and include "good"? the feeling i get when i listen to their records is that something is transpiring in their interplay that other bands will likely be unable to repeat. to me that's special

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:21 (eight months ago) link

it does imply and include good but i don't think being special is just the same as being good but at a higher point of intensity

if they would just have more than one rhythm my feeling would be different i'm sure

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:26 (eight months ago) link

i understand the job of critics, but i hate it when they think / talk like their opinion is fact. hate it, hate it, hate it.

alpine static, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:55 (eight months ago) link

who gives a flying fuck what theoretical Pitchfork writers are supposedly going to think about this record 10 years from now?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:56 (eight months ago) link

people who post on the pitchfork is dumb thread about the 2010s retrospective pitchfork publishes in 2029

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:01 (eight months ago) link

I'm proud of myself for not looking at that list, therapy is working

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:06 (eight months ago) link

yep. and a band whom I'm very happy are churning it out because I spend a lot of time with each one and each is high quality

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 17 January 2020 21:29 (five months ago) link

I mentioned them to my uncle a little while back... he and I sometimes talk music, tho our tastes only occasionally align (he's mainly into mellow singer-songwriter/c&w).

He emailed me today that he's been listening to Masterpiece nonstop, and that he likes it even more than Two Hands ("because I'm old"). He also said that "Masterpiece" (the song) "weirdly and for reasons I haven't yet put my finger on makes me think of The Band's 'The Weight.'"

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Friday, 17 January 2020 21:50 (five months ago) link

“Masterpiece” does have a 70s classic country-rock chug, & is a very easy entry point to the band for folks coming from alt-country. “The Weight” isn’t a huge stretch.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 20 January 2020 02:29 (five months ago) link

When I first heard the opener of 'Capacity' I mistook BT for a country-rock band. They definitely have a bit of Bobby Gentry / Delta Swamp Boogie feeling somewhere in there

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 20 January 2020 09:17 (five months ago) link

So far I've heard Capacity, U.F.O.F., and Two Hands, and I love them all. How does Adrianne's solo album (abysskiss) compare to them?

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Monday, 20 January 2020 17:13 (five months ago) link

It’s acoustic, and fairly calm/meditative; with a bit of a “droning” effect from the repetitive fingerpicking and slow tempos. A few of the songs are performed by the full band on U.F.O.F.

Her earlier album, Hours Were the Birds, has a more traditional singer-songwriter feel.

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Monday, 20 January 2020 18:45 (five months ago) link

of course the one that's their best is whichever one I'm listneing to at the time, right?

^I've sort of come around to this p.o.v., after listening all weekend.

Also, this band has a quality that reminds me of Led Zeppelin -- not because they sound anything alike (it's hard to imagine two more different singers!), but because each of their albums is so distinctive, and every song they've released carries a certain importance.

You know how you can find those online features with "All 92(?) 74(?) 87(?) Led Zeppelin Songs, Ranked"? (there's disagreement on how to count). Even your "Hats Off to (Roy) Harper," or whatever, is elevated just by being etched on that awesome stone tablet of the Official Zep Catalog. There are no Zep "throwaways"; every song is important & key, part of the mythology (...until maybe you get to Coda). I'm sure there are other bands whose fans would say something similar about them; but I don't think I would personally make the same claim about most of the bands I love (they all have "lesser" tracks here and there, or, "yeah, that's an ok song," etc.).

Big Thief are obviously only halfway to matching the Zep output -- though if the parallel is accurate, they're about to hit their most killer stretch (lol) -- but they feel similar to me, in the sense that each Big Thief song has its own center of gravity. Even the few songs I'm not super hot on (I wish Capacity's title track were a little less, I dunno, sludgy?) have my respect & attention, and feel like they should be inscribed up on the big Rock 'n Roll wall somewhere.

dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 06:51 (five months ago) link

'Capacity' title track always reminds me of Moon River for some reason

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 12:08 (five months ago) link

xp yeah the first thing I thought when I heard them was Comus (voice, melodies) and then Zep (overall band vibe)

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:10 (five months ago) link

Huh, never heard of Comus (just looked them up). I mentioned on the other thread how I hear some Slapp Happy in certain Big Thief songs; looks like there may be some overlap there.

dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:31 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

“Not” gets all the attn... but “Shoulders” is also

A

JAM

dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:02 (five months ago) link

Yeah Not I'd great and everything but maybe a tiny bit overrated at the expense of other songs on the album.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Sunday, 9 February 2020 11:00 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-EAOdaDidy/

adrienne posted a lovely new song to instagram

ufo, Monday, 23 March 2020 08:52 (three months ago) link

why do i always misspell her name

ufo, Monday, 23 March 2020 08:57 (three months ago) link

be guided by the capitalized-“A” stylization: https://www.discogs.com/release/12550569-Stages-Of-The-Sun/images

morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:24 (three months ago) link

!!!

O_o

This is some Y Kant AdriAnne Read shit right there

rawdogging the pandemic (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 23 March 2020 23:00 (three months ago) link

www.AdriAnne.com is still under her control!

morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 23:35 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

A batch of recent demos on sale, to benefit their road crew: https://bigthief.bandcamp.com/album/demos-vol-1-topanga-canyon-ca-feb-2018

morrisp, Friday, 17 April 2020 03:46 (two months ago) link

One more: https://bigthief.ffm.to/loveinmine

“We all felt this song was one of the strongest
songs/captures in the Two Hands batch but we could never quite get it to fit in a sequence. Happy to be sharing it now”

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 15:29 (two months ago) link

definitely too straightforwardly pretty for the album. splendid as a standalone single though

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 15:46 (two months ago) link

this sounds like a christine fleetwood mac song, its v v v good

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/XF9HQCQ.jpg

these twitter culture wars are outta control :(

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Friday, 8 May 2020 21:48 (two months ago) link

#bigthiefisoverparty

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Friday, 8 May 2020 21:48 (two months ago) link

It was just a matter of time

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 8 May 2020 21:52 (two months ago) link

I think we may be getting a few new albums soon, guys: www.instagram.com/p/CADtCEpH-t7/

(btw - what kind of cyber-guitar is Adrianne holding in that first pic??)

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:19 (one month ago) link

I flubbed the link

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:20 (one month ago) link

I flubbed the link and the link won

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:56 (one month ago) link

Got ahold of Lenker's first album, recorded when she was 13.

Kudos to her for getting an album out that early, but I wouldn't recommend it at all.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:10 (one month ago) link

Oh, nice! Good catch, did you find it in a store or online?

That alb is p terrible but it’s a charming kind of terrible, esp in light of what she’s doing now.

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:13 (one month ago) link

that looks like one those things lee ritenour played. it’s on his Wayne Gretzky tribute album

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:55 (one month ago) link

wait I’m mixing him up with Steve khan re: the Gretzky thing. Anyway here it is: https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Ritenour-Earth-Run/master/80205

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:56 (one month ago) link

A SynthAxe(tm)?

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:57 (one month ago) link

found it: Casio DG-1

https://youtu.be/3hf7AsraFx8

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:00 (one month ago) link

Thx!

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:09 (one month ago) link

Bought the first Lenker through Discogs. I’ve fallen pretty hard for Big Thief so I decided to start at the beginning. It’s not awful, but it sounds like a reasonably talented 13 year old
imitating... Sheryl Crow maybe? If she has any say in the matter, I can’t imagine it getting reissued anytime soon.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:56 (one month ago) link

Pretty sure Lucid Tunes was a vanity label, likely run by her dad; this was its only other release. From what I've read, she and her dad are on good terms, so he's not likely to reissue it w/out her consent!

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:12 (one month ago) link

This demo "Mermaid" is sick... it's kind of a new take on the "Cattails" idea

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:39 (one month ago) link

These goofy-dressing hippies are the sickest band

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:41 (one month ago) link

really hoping the casio guitar is going to make the new album

ufo, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 04:11 (one month ago) link


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