Richard Dawson (raucous experimental UK folk racket w/ intense picaresque realness vox)

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*sixth-form, not sith. That would be interesting and very Dawson

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 10:39 (eleven months ago) link

yeah as I said, this album isn't nearly as good as the last two, but Jogging is absolutely incredible and I also really love Civil Servant

imago, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:41 (eleven months ago) link

i'm finding the new record quite difficult so far, his lyrics and sense of melody seem as great as ever but the arrangements and musical palette can feel quite odd and it's not as rich and full-sounding as peasant. some of it is very plodding and i'm not really into the dissonant stabbing. i don't really expect to love it as much as peasant but i hope it'll open up more to me

are his pre-nothing important records worth checking out btw? i'm just realising that i've never really heard anyone mention them much ever

ufo, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:45 (eleven months ago) link

they are. 'the magic bridge' has some amazing playing (and it has 'black dog in the sky' on it ffs) and 'the glass trunk' has some truly wonderful a cappella songs that showcase his voice and storytelling powers

imago, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:50 (eleven months ago) link

I would like to give Peasant another go. I need to read along with it I guess

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 11:18 (eleven months ago) link

What imago says xpost. The Magic Bridge is amazing. Black Dog..., Wooden Bag and We Picked Apple's... are some of his best songs.

Duke, Monday, 14 October 2019 19:38 (eleven months ago) link

On second listen of the new one. Enjoying it. But it's no match for Peasant. So far.

Duke, Monday, 14 October 2019 19:40 (eleven months ago) link

I'm enjoying it more too. I'm wondering if I'd like it a bit more if Civil Servant had been left off though. I guess it works as a nice scene-setter, but lyrically it doesn't do anything more than Jogging and Fulfilment Centre already do a lot better

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 21:30 (eleven months ago) link

has one of the strongest melodies on the album though

imago, Monday, 14 October 2019 21:32 (eleven months ago) link

I find the 'I refuse refuse refuse!' bit a bit cringey though eeeeh... and it is a strong melody but Dawson's vocals are just a bit much

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 21:35 (eleven months ago) link

digging into this properly. come fully round on jogging with how the album kinda repurposes pub rock and shitty synth effects. black triangle by far the standout for me.

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:46 (eleven months ago) link

not a patch on peasant tho

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:46 (eleven months ago) link

indeed. he did a reddit AMA the other night, need to read that

imago, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:47 (eleven months ago) link

"Civil Servant" is hilarious. I must check this album out

The World According To.... (Michael B), Friday, 18 October 2019 11:49 (eleven months ago) link

think the less overtly 'state of the nation'-y parts are its strongest. was expecting a dawson song titled freshers ball to be too real, fortunately hit pretty hard in a different way

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:57 (eleven months ago) link

from the ama re black triangle

the whole ufo sighting was something that really happened to me and my pal neil. the song is completely as it happened right up to the point where neil lives in a barn conversion. so even though it uses this experience, it's not about me........

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 12:11 (eleven months ago) link

"Robert Wyatt doing George Benson" is a wonderful observation.

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reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:52 (eleven months ago) link

vile stuff really is the best song ever made, isn't it?

devvvine, Sunday, 20 October 2019 14:43 (eleven months ago) link

What a crazy selection of favorite albums, there were two on there I couldn't even find online (and not the one he said you can't find online).

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:44 (eleven months ago) link

vile stuff really is the best song ever made, isn't it?

― devvvine, Sunday, October 20, 2019 2:43 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

its a close-run thing with 'nothing important' but yeah

imago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 18:40 (eleven months ago) link

I voted for Person Pitch. That and Feels are fading for me but still like them very much.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:34 (eleven months ago) link

Love the images!

Life is a meaningless nightmare of string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:34 (eleven months ago) link

lol I doubt either of his first two albums will place.

pomenitul, Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:35 (eleven months ago) link

if dicky dawson doesn't double-up come the 10's poll then i'm banning everyone

imago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:37 (eleven months ago) link

Hah. It's been a long weekend...

(Agree The Vile Stuff is damn well perfect.)

Life is a meaningless nightmare of string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:38 (eleven months ago) link

Reveals he has begun work on the next album

Duke, Sunday, 27 October 2019 11:37 (eleven months ago) link

ty for that! don't remotely agree with the guardian framing this as his breakout masterpiece though

imago, Sunday, 27 October 2019 11:44 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah, for me that was Peasant, which must have significantly widened his audience. But 2020 seems to be getting even more mainstream attention.

Duke, Sunday, 27 October 2019 13:51 (eleven months ago) link

while NI is probably my favourite album of the decade, i can fully buy Peasant as his breakout moment yeah. mainstream is always slow to pick up on these things but RYM and the wider nerd community got on board at Peasant

imago, Sunday, 27 October 2019 14:41 (eleven months ago) link

imo peasant sounds way more accessible than the nu one

devvvine, Sunday, 27 October 2019 16:07 (eleven months ago) link

Crazy talk. The new one is may more accessible on several levels (not leats that's it's way easier to identify with totally relatable stories about people who live now versus people who lived 1400 years ago, never mind tunes and arrangements), and is totally the breakout record. Peasant is the one that hinted a breakout was possible, but it didn't go over the parapet.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 28 October 2019 16:05 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, lots of people (my boss included) seem to be very familiar with Jogging. It's been getting a lot of Radio 6 airplay whereas I think Peasant was really a cult thing

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 28 October 2019 16:21 (ten months ago) link

i meant purely the arrangements and how it sounds, the ugliness of how jogging sounds compared to a song like weaver. not denying the the hooks and lyrics are more accessible.

devvvine, Monday, 28 October 2019 16:47 (ten months ago) link

working from a base of what wld my mum prefer so good chance i am talking nonsense

devvvine, Monday, 28 October 2019 16:49 (ten months ago) link

Shades of how my other Favourite Current Artist, Weyes Blood, had to release three incredible albums in a row before the powers that be really caught on. (And as with Dawson, the one that pushed her over the edge might not be her best, although in her case it's much more arguable)

imago, Monday, 28 October 2019 17:03 (ten months ago) link

Finally got a copy of Nothing Important yesterday, bought direct from Domino after reconciling myself to the fact that it will A: never be cheap online and B: never be in stock in my local HMV again.

So apart from The Vile Stuff it all sounds basically like unlistenable improvised torture to me right now, but HOLY SHIT I've listened to The Vile Stuff about 6 times in a row and WTF

What's it doing?! It's a 16-minute raga about a school trip that somehow finds a level of emotional intensity that is completely unwarranted. It makes Venus In Furs sound like Scouting For Girls. It makes a lyric about Newcastle United wallpaper sound like something occult.


Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:00 (ten months ago) link

It's a brilliant song. The bit about him spacing out and having visions as he stares at his Newcastle United poster is something else

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:05 (ten months ago) link

He has a visual disability that brings such visions about

Wait until the title-track clicks...

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:10 (ten months ago) link

I must admit that, as much as I enjoy Dawson's music and Nothing Important in particular, there's a dare I say cultural barrier that will never dissolve completely.

pomenitul, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:13 (ten months ago) link

Kitchen sink mysticism ftw.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of string (Chinaski), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:15 (ten months ago) link

xp Is that barrier not what makes it all the more compelling and appealing? For me it is tbf.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:16 (ten months ago) link

Up to a point. Then again, I'm not much of an anglophile – anglo-agnostic is probably a better descriptor.

pomenitul, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:20 (ten months ago) link


"Dawson hides his intent in plain sight, threading his lyrics with plenty of clues. The assailant outside the chip shop (Thadeus); the lad who cracks his head open (Peter); the pupil who “fills a Reebok Pump with the pulp from his belly” (Simon) and the object of his affections (Bartholomew); the lad who gobs at the narrator (Matthew); his neighbour who “lost two fingers to a Staffie-cross” (Andrew) who works at a no win no fee solicitors (James and James) and even the brand of screwdriver he injures himself with (Philip) are all the names of Christ’s apostles. (He hides his intent elsewhere as well. The two instrumental tracks on the album are called ‘Doubting Thomas’ and ‘Judas Iscariot’.)"

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 November 2019 11:01 (ten months ago) link

xp Aren't we all in a way? :) (I hear you though)

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:23 (ten months ago) link

xp [eric wareheim exploding head gif]

devvvine, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:29 (ten months ago) link

Most of it just reminds me of Half Man Half Biscuit.

fetter, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:06 (ten months ago) link

the other great uk folk-rock act of our time, but there's a distinct spirit

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:17 (ten months ago) link

The potato line in Shapeshifter is bugging me. They weren't introduced to the UK until 1586 or whenever, so how is one in this song. I have tried googling "Richard Dawson potato" to no avail of an explanation from the author.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 4 November 2019 13:45 (ten months ago) link

he did explain it somewhere - elements from all time periods are included by design. 'prostitute' has a prominent synth part!

imago, Monday, 4 November 2019 13:54 (ten months ago) link

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