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i think i say this like clockwork every four months or so but stan sakai and sergio aragones are secretly the two greatest cartoonist of their generation.

I like their work too, but since artists born between 1937 (Aragones' birth year) and 1953 (Sakai's) also include folks like José Muñoz, Claire Bretécher, Jacques Tardi, and Moebius, I have to disagree.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 October 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link

OTM - don't really get the fuss abt Sakai at all tbh.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 October 2019 08:57 (four years ago) link

Crumb might be cancelled by several current generations, but he was born in that range too, and likely to be ranked higher by peers than Sakai.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 14 October 2019 09:23 (four years ago) link

Actually further to my post about Kyoko Okazaki upthread, I found it really weird how there was a Netflix adaptation of Rivers Edge with English subs when you can only get the actual book scanlated afaik.

I do find it interesting to compare scanlations to official versions of things, but would much rather ensure the author gets paid.

gyac, Monday, 14 October 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link

I wouldn't want to pit Moebius/Crumb against Sakai/Aragones as artists or writers but I think both stand their own as cartoonists in that company
obvs a question of how and where you draw the line

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link

I probably said it on another thread, but I really would like someone to reprint the complete Airtight Garage in English again. Read parts of it as a teenager out of old Heavy Metals and missed that Marvel print, but would like to read the entire thing compiled.

earlnash, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link

I wouldn't want to pit Moebius/Crumb against Sakai/Aragones as artists or writers but I think both stand their own as cartoonists in that company

What's the difference between "artist" and "cartoonist" when it comes to comics?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 08:15 (four years ago) link

I would make the distinction between artists, who illustrate the work of others - and cartoonists, who do it all themselves.

BTW, just read this from the NYRB comics imprint, and it's superb - tackling French colonialism in an abstract poetic way that I've never seen before in comics:

https://www.nyrb.com/products/yellow-negroes-and-other-imaginary-creatures?variant=41951212167

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 08:24 (four years ago) link

I would love airtight garage as I find it impossible to read text-heavy comics on the iPad without getting a huge headache

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link

i think the artist versus cartoonist dichotomy in my mind is about form, format, seriousness and complexity of the material, intended reader and intention of story. it's not about quality of story or art but maybe more about depth of complexity within either. marrying both might be what signals artistry as opposed to cartooning in my mind.
Here's a few in different categories as i would break them down to an extent, all writer/artists:
cartoonists: sergio aragones, stan sakai, carl barks, peter bagge, floyd gottfredson, herge, geoff darrow
in-between: eisner, hernandez bros, trondheim, don rosa, andrew mclean, mccay
artists: moebius, crumb, spiegelman, jim woodring, herriman
NB: this is spectacularly personal, possibly elitist, definitely an american means of perception and i wouldn't suggest anyone else toe this line but for me. And both are equally valuable and laudable!
okay sic and tuomas, have at me.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link

just get rid of 'artists' all together. it's easier to classify them all as cartoonists.

brain dead operatus (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link

I’m a “cartoonists are sole authors” partisan. As with “comic books,” it’s stupid and unfortunate that all the terms in this field sound like babytalk to civilians, but here we are.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link

I know nihilistic non-sequitur internet cartoonists are a dime a dozen these days, but I like this one

https://instagram.com/yoyorobot

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link

Oops wrong thread

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link


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