De Niro is as Irish as he is Italian iirc
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 October 2019 06:22 (four years ago) link
Almost as if we discussed that at the beginning of this thread. Morbs even insulted someone
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 October 2019 06:29 (four years ago) link
The Frank Sheeran book, as Morbs said above, is a great read. I'm racing through it but that's not tough going at all. Excited to see how Scorsese approached this material. In my mind's eye I see Sheeran played by Holt McCallany rather DeNiro but, hey, nobody's complainin' here.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 14 October 2019 10:24 (four years ago) link
*rather than
Yes, he's American.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 14 October 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link
uh guys this does not need to be re-litigated.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 14 October 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
rogermex sees this film as necessary anti-union education
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 October 2019 14:04 (four years ago) link
ffs
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 14 October 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link
just havin' a little fun, rog
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 October 2019 14:59 (four years ago) link
Lol from now on movie characters must be played by their real life counterparts
― plax (ico), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
anyway the deNiro-Pesci dynamic should be different this time as Pesci is playing Russell Bufalino, ie Sheeran's "godfather." Also, Bufalino described as softspoken!
otoh Sheeran said Hoffa threw a tantrum twice a day to keep his temper in shape, so in Pacino's wheelhouse.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
Pacino and Pesci screamed their lines on set and they dampened them in post
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
E Howard Hunt shows up in the book, Nixon AG John Mitchell even moreso. And a 2-page cameo by Joe Biden!
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 October 2019 14:59 (four years ago) link
The Brandt book has many respectable skeptics re Sheeran's veracity, but for the movie, who cares?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
Yes, "who cares?" indeed.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
sez the JFK fan!
David Ferrie is in the book briefly but apaprently not the film; too bad, Pesci could've done a dual role.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 October 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
AFI Silver has just announced a run starting November 15. Landmark E Street has the film on its Coming Soon page, but no start date.
― Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:25 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j1T5xjwGJQ
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:32 (four years ago) link
THE DAILY BEAST’S OBSESSEDDoes Anyone Care If Marvel Movies Are ‘Cinema’?Kevin FallonSenior Entertainment Reporter
Does Anyone Care If Marvel Movies Are ‘Cinema’?
Kevin FallonSenior Entertainment Reporter
I'm gonna say...Kevin Fallon, Senior Entertainment Reporter?
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 25 October 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link
let's keep that M*rvel madness outta this thread
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 October 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
Quite a lot of Touchez pas au grisbi (1954) in The Irishman and that's a very good thing.— ℑ 𝔇𝔬𝔫'𝔱 𝔅𝔩𝔞𝔪𝔢 𝔜𝔬𝔲 (@NickPinkerton) October 23, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 October 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
I daren't visit the Marvel thread
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 25 October 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
seeing at MoMA on 11/9
apparently none of the Italian Beatles will be attending
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 October 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
Screening at the Castro for several days as well. Preceded byva screening of the recent Dylan doc w Marty in attendance
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 26 October 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link
I saw it yesterday morning. I liked it.
― Simon H., Saturday, 2 November 2019 06:19 (four years ago) link
Saw it opening night, it was very good. the first two hours were so preordained, so much gangster fan service scripting, so much special effects and explosions that i did have the "well how is this different from a marvel movie" thought but the last 30 minutes really redeem the film and act as apologia for scorcese's big dick bad guy fantasy fuel. DeNiro is fine, Pacino is a restrained as he's likely to be for the rest of his career and Pesci is fucking amazing as the most menacing grampa ever. He'd be winning a best supporting actor Oscar as long as he did the press stuff and is friendly on camera which i suppose he won't do.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
it is a FAST 3 1/2 hours if you can believe it.
were you aware (as I only just became) that Sheehan's story is bogus, and if so how did it affect the experience?
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
Sheeran
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
Isn't every gangster story largely bogus
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
I don't know, maybe the peripheral details but not the central thesis?
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
I generally approach any gangster story as a fantasy.
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
some for me e.g. Goodfellas, Donnie Brasco have a little more life than others for being based on true stories
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
i was not aware of how "real" the story was but the meaninglessness of these gangsters' lives and their totally full-of-shit lives is absolutely at the heart of the film... so you guys are OTM with what i think Irishman (which was clearly meant to be called I HEARD YOU PAINT HOUSES and which it should be called) is about
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
I have no idea if it's bogus or not, but all sorts of ppl who've dealt with this world for decades differ on that. And I'm not interested in "deciding."
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
btw ulysses all the Osc*r supporting talk is around Pacino
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
Hoffa - GREAT ASS!
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 November 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
talk about a 3-hour film that felt longer...
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
― June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Monday, 4 November 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
I don't know short of a ruling what would make an "official" debunkment but I found this enlightening
https://www.thedailybeast.com/martin-scorseses-the-irishman-is-a-big-lie-heres-what-really-happened-to-jimmy-hoffa
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
I don't get the point of making a big deal of this in the context of the movie.
I get why Don Shirley's family objected to Green Book (Joey Lips's white knighting) but this Scorcese film, if it's entertaining, whatever.
Zodiac was based on a book written by a discredited author who floated debunked theories and yet i enjoyed that one even with that knowledge
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
a 'countermyth' to JFK also part of this
a plausible one, true or not
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
i had some issues with this but the plot driving forward was not generally one of them. you thought it was slow morbs?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link
I haven't seen it yet; MoMA next Saturday afternoon.
Netflix will not release b.o. numbers, but there were numerous sellouts in NYC
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/11/box-office-the-irishman-harriet-wide-1202186843/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/movies/irishman-belasco-netflix.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
My "3-hour film that felt longer" was about Heat, by the minor-league Scorsese.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link
(following Neanderthal's assquote, which i have no memory of in the film and know solely thru ILX)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
Ive always had less than zero investment in the mystery of What Happened To Jimmy Hoffa and am hoping that the movie's impact wont rely on me giving too much of a shit about it.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
He manages a Walgreens now under the psudonym Todd Steele
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
i do care about what happened to hero of labor james r hoffa but yeah, this is a movie, who cares if its accurate
― ت (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
xp to morbs, ah gotcha.fwiw within the film hoffa is not treated as a "great man" except in the sense that he has outstanding charisma. he - and basically every man who gets a screen credit - is a sociopath and sees violence and potentially murder as potentially useful tools. aside from hoffa's wife, women have virtually no place in this world. anna paquin has maybe two sentences in an extremely halfhearted subplot.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link