I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

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oh that seems to be an outdated story. UPMG have confirmed Glitter will see no royalites from the song.

akm, Monday, 14 October 2019 02:54 (four years ago) link

lmao at this 47-year-old man acting like a particularly spoiled 13yo

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 20 October 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link

I'm not sure I've witnessed much emotional maturation in the Leto since I became aware of him 25 years ago.

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Sunday, 20 October 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link

As bad/toxic/dangerous as this movie may or may not be, the fact that it puts an end to Leto's dream of a Juggalo Joker franchise is certainly a net win for culture

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:50 (four years ago) link

t/s: juggalo joker vs incel joker

whoever wins, we lose

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link

incel joker wins by default, since it seems impossible to make a sequel to.

Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link

So incidentally how is everyone faring since the Joker gangs started taking over?

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link

Longer lines at Dave and Buster's

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link

incel joker wins by default, since it seems impossible to make a sequel to.

t/s: impossible to make a sequel to vs acting was so awful everyone would rather forget it ever happened

whoever loses, we win

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link

xp I for one appreciate their fresh outsider perspective

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link

Suicide Squad makes Joker look like Network

flappy bird, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link

In the sequel, incel Joker becomes a volcel. Writes itself, really.

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link

So I saw this last night. Not read much of this thread. No idea what's been said and not said, but here's the Letterboxd review I wrote after seeing it:


This is a solid 2.5 out of 5 film.

I’m trying to work out what it is people specifically liked about it, whether there's a wider point or aspect that I've missed.

Having seen countless hot takes on this film from critics and friends, I was conscious of going into the film with too many expectations. Either this was going to blow me away with a clever, multi-layered plot and a serious artistic twist on an old character, or it was going to be a highly insensitive piece of hackwork that treated Batman's greatest villain as a springboard for muddied views on mental health and societal violence...

So I was surprised to find that this film did neither. In effect, I came away feeling underwhelmed, mildly puzzled and with the feeling I'd seen something distinctly... average.

The Guardian-reading snowflake in me was all set to be triggered by its handling of mental health issues or isolated male aggression or gun violence or... something. I wasn’t.. Well not really. This is Gotham after all, a city that walks the tightrope between gritty reality and grim fantasy. So sure, have the Joker be a cracked dude from a background of child abuse, it’s not far fetched. Besides, you'd have to be a special kind of lily to be truly offended by something so milquetoast, or at least one who's never seen Psycho or Taxi Driver or Falling Down or any of the many other films about 'insecure loners' from which this film cribs (and pays tribute to) in spades.

I could see people with actual schizophrenia or severe depression taking umbrage at the idea that their condition is seen as something that could potentially trigger a murder spree. The vast majority of people I've met who are affected by mental health issues are brave and steadfast and trying to cope with things one day at a time. There are definitely questions to be raised about funding for mental health services, and indeed the question is raised in part in this film. There's also the incel issue too, which again this film goes part-way to referencing, and in many ways could be seen as a film about James Holmes, the Aurora Shooter, rather than the Joker himself.

You could read into it all you want and extrapolate all sorts, but I don't have the time or energy to expend on analysing these waters, mostly because the film only really dips its toes in them itself. It’s an action movie set in a fictional world at the end of the day. The Joker's affliction (as far as I know) doesn't exist in the real world, and the Joker’s story is supposed to be sensationalised and harrowing etc, so try as I might I couldn't find it in myself to get terribly upset about it.

The graphic novel-loving Alan Moore stan in me was expecting a rip-roaring intelligent origin story with maybe an underlying comment on society or the human condition that nevertheless didn’t get in the way of an incendiary plotline. Hmmm.. Maybe? Or maybe they set-out to make exactly this kind of film and then had to retro-fit the plot to the Joker character so that it made sense in the Nolan-esque world of Batman we've come to understand in recent years. As an origin story, it left me unfazed. I kept waiting for this incompetent drip to transgress into the infamous criminal mastermind we've come to know, but it never happens. Maybe that's not the idea? Maybe Joker never actually gets to fight Batman and it's all in his head, and actually he's just a mentally ill man living out a fantasy?

The film-buff in me was expecting amazing cinematography, of which I’d say this delivered to a good extent. I mean, nothing fantastic, but decent enough to keep the boring parts from looking tooooo boring.

I was also expecting great acting from Joaquin and indeed there was some GREAT acting from Joaquin and yes he acted his heart out. In fact there wasn't a moment in the film where I wasn't thinking: ‘Isn’t he good at acting, that actor, Joaquin Phoenix with all the acting he does wow what a splendid actor, and how!’. A real actor’s actor that Joaquin. And as a man born with an expression that makes him look like he's permanently about to shit his pants, Joaquin was perfectly cast in this role. Great actor that Joaquin. Five stars at acting.

So yes, good cinematography; good Joaquin being Joaquin; okay plot (if a bit cobbled together from things like V for Vendetta, Eyes Wide Shut, Psycho, Taxi Driver, Falling Down* and a few others); great Joaquin, I mean splendid Joaquin; not much of a point to make in and of itself, unless the point flew past me while I was being distracted by Joaquin; some good scenes and not really boring but a bit predictable and unrevelatory; oh and yes Joaquin acted his heart out didn’t he? Great Joaquin.

An okay film that I would recommend buying in a couple of years' time when the DVD goes on sale.

*PS I really really dislike Falling Down but I like the others.

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 09:41 (four years ago) link

Lol, everything about splendid Joaquin is otm

Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link

The Joaquir

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link

the dance of freedom etc pic.twitter.com/9NT7GYlvBW

— HappyToast ★ (@IamHappyToast) October 23, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZmq01RFhzI

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/03/world/joker-global-protests-trnd/index.html

fucking try harder, protestors. jesus, lame.

akm, Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link

like the guy fawkes masks: can't people be more original?

akm, Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link

you know, like in the film

Graham Kendrick Lamar (cajunsunday), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link

Cool, can't wait til they imitate the other shit

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link

My house didn't need to be not on fire

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link

I might be the only one who remembers this but one thousand years ago just before this film came out there was a moral panic about how it was foretold that its release would cause the trenchcoat mafia to rise from their graves and bring about the end times

YouGov to see it (wins), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link

It did, they all voted for Trump in 16

#trenchant

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/03/world/joker-global-protests-trnd/index.html

fucking try harder, protestors. jesus, lame.

― akm, Sunday, November 3, 2019 1:12 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

solidarity forever, unless the cultural reference is kinda dorky

gbx, Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link

Expected to hate this, and while I did hate a couple of parts, overall it was worth the time. The final sit-down on De Niro's show was ridiculous, and De Niro and the whole subplot around him--I realize that there's an extended King of Comedy tribute going on--should have been ditched. Phoenix's first laughing fit felt unbearably overwrought, but I adjusted as the film went on. The rest I liked. The scene with the Wall St. guys on the subway was tense and unsettling. When Phoenix isn't laughing, he's very good. Has the score been debated much? I thought it was weird and often great--someone else might find it oppressive. The two famous pop songs...I suspect only I would love those scenes or even feel it worth commenting on them.

I have a few extremely basic questions as to how (or if) the story here jibes with the Burton and Nolan films on a timeline, but I'm just a novice, so I'll look up the answers myself.

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:07 (four years ago) link

It doesn't

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:24 (four years ago) link

the pop stuff is maybe meant to be jarring but didn’t quite jive for me

the score is obviously great, good composer!

mh, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:58 (four years ago) link

I used to rewatch Fight Club a lot and it’s fine but, overall, worse at gauging it’s audience’s ability to read between the large print lines than anything Scorsese ever did.

It’s very pretty. I get the fantasy of looking (but not smelling) like Pitt’s character, and Jared Leto gets beat up. Helena Bonham Carter is attractive. Zeroing out credit debt is cool but doesn’t work like that, although buildings collapsing is shocking. In the end, the fuck-up seems to acknowledge a middle ground, although it’s the last thirty seconds.

mh, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 02:07 (four years ago) link

The first sign that “Fight Club” might inspire men to do anything other than quote “Fight Club” on their Facebook walls came in the mid-two-thousands...

Can I just

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link

Recently, when I checked out Palahniuk’s novel from my local library, the librarian, a woman in her thirties, visibly struggled to hide her displeasure

the correct response, shoutout to this librarian

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link

you know, I really enjoyed Lullaby but that's mostly because I've long harbored the fantasy of being able to murder people with my mind

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link

Palahniuk's not a horrible writer, but he's a one-trick pony and iirc has expressed some alt-right/libertarian leanings, although maybe that's just part of his edginess shtick

mh, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link

"I have a few extremely basic questions as to how (or if) the story here jibes with the Burton and Nolan films on a timeline, but I'm just a novice, so I'll look up the answers myself." Yes it has nothing to do with those films. And I'm hjoping it doesn't have a sequel.

Frankly I kind of like this approach that DC may be taking with their characters; they dont' really need to build a universe, it wasn't working anyway. You can use these characters and do one off movies. It's really ok.

akm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link

Fight Club is a fine novel and also a good film. I have to ignore any cult that has sprung up around it because like all of these things, it seems to me that people who do that aren't really getting the point (see: using Joker masks in big protests).

akm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link

Can't wait for the Supes movie where he's 48 and doesn't know he has super powers and works as an insurance adjuster with manager Lenny Luthor.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link

sounds like a significant improvement on visionary director zack snyder's take on the character tbf

Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link

Frankly I kind of like this approach that DC may be taking with their characters; they dont' really need to build a universe, it wasn't working anyway. You can use these characters and do one off movies. It's really ok.

― akm, Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:34 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Another way to say it is that DC has moved in this direction not so much as a conscious, strategic choice but because their attempts to ape the MCU model have been inept af.

I'm scared my but won't fit in it. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link

people wearing Joker masks isn't missing the point, it *is* the point depending on the protest- he only really loses it when he loses his social security

flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link

A senior White House official confirmed to Yahoo News that Trump screened 'Joker' for guests including “family, friends, and some staff.”

The senior official said Trump liked the film https://t.co/w7KEGfQEl4 by @hunterw, @BrettRedacted pic.twitter.com/bQfnnViBoC

— Yahoo News (@YahooNews) November 17, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link

the oval office insider went on to claim that trump's chest pains were 'almost certainly' caused by the movie's twisted take on the iconic character

actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 13:40 (four years ago) link

i guess you could say the joker played... THE TRUMP CARD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHEHHEHEHEHEEE IT'S THE JOKER!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link

There’s no possible way that guy can sit and watch a whole movie

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link

Au contraire, he's had a toilet installed front and center in the WH screening room, so

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

The "toilet" being whichever of his family members he's angry at at that particular moment.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link

hope you guys who bought tickets are looking forward to LEX in 2020, Captain Cold in 21 and grim-and-gritty Jonni DC in 22
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-sequel-works-as-todd-phillips-eyes-more-dc-origin-movies-1256255

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:15 (four years ago) link

Fingers crossed for Crazy Quilt

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link


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