NOUGHT BUT THE TRUTH: 2000-2009 albums & tracks VOTING (and campaigning) thread DEADLINE OCTOBER 11

you cannot perform the same track twice but remixing is not the same as sampling, keeping the title is a choice to maintain the link the original, & it's ilx convention

Would you do the same with covers?

obviously not, but i appreciate there is a difference

anything that gives more votes to mr brightside should be nixed on principle

lol i was just jamming the thin white duke remix. anyway you're obviously wrong

Feel like if there was a rule re remixes vs originals it should have been made before voting. What’s the point of having two options in the nominations?

i never

i did make noises before voting began along the lines of 'this time i don't want to combine them' but nothing was finalised

hmmm!

covers don't usually function in the same way (never heard of a cover version included on a single) so I can't imagine it being an issue, but if there was a case where the cover version did come out immediately and was v much part of the same thing (a la mike flowers pops or frankee f u right back or whatever) and there was real split enthusiasm then sure, bundle them together. has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix? ofc no one thought you had to. splitting them serves no practical purpose other than making them less likely to show up.

i am happy to have another occasion to dunk on mr brightside

destiny is calling me

has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix?

Perhaps not but e.g. I didn't consider voting for "Everything in Its Right Place" bc the nominated track was a remix (that came out 9 years later than the original). The Aphex Twin remix of "Heroes" does work pretty differently from the original track. I can easily think of cover songs that are more faithful. It's not at all obvious to me that imago's original impulse was wrong.

the faithfulness of covers is not the issue. I think once a track is nominated you should be able to vote for whichever version you like and in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions. having the same song showing up twice would be stupid, in practice tho they're just less likely to appear

Covers are the same song but not the same track. Remixes are not necessarily either, although they do use recorded material from the original track.xp

I'm fine either way but I don't see why the rule should be changed at this point.

although I actually like "Mr. Brightside" so maybe we should combine them and give an extra vote to "Everything".

i think trying to carefully preserve the integrity of the ideal object doesn't acknowledge how music functions. all sound is queer. i want to specifically vote for a milli as played through my old desktop pc speakers

in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions.

Arghh I'm away for a congress in Edinburgh and will miss the roll-out then this week -_-

Will catch up and bombard thread afterwards.

have been sent the non-merging version. there are TWO casualties in fact. difficult decision and i have to make it now so tt has the right stats for the images...

If they are different then they are different

^^ truth

If you merge and show the breakdown then people can adjust in their heads if they feel it's an injustice? Harder to do it the other way round.

I think they should be r
counted separately, but the merge and show numbers approach is a good compromise.

OKAY

a decision has been reached, albeit a painful one

We will go by ILX convention and merge numbers

the pros very slightly outweigh the cons

believe me, I wanted to throw this convention in the trash as (having listened to one of the potential casualties) the remix was absolutely nothing like the original, but when it came down to it, the fact I hadn't specified beforehand that remixes would be counted separately was the clincher

we will hopefully begin rollouts tomorrow, with maybe even a few tonight if tt's ready...

This is news to me. I hope you all like low image resolution

just like in the noughties!

(never heard of a cover version included on a single)

I can immediately think of three examples

although I’m opposed to any Lu Contless version of Mr Brightside placing, merging and noting is the least damaging option given the lack of clarity. iirc the Friendly Fires version of Paris wasn’t nominated, so we’ll be spared that particular travesty of merging

i think trying to carefully preserve the integrity of the ideal object doesn't acknowledge how music functions. all sound is queer. i want to specifically vote for a milli as played through my old desktop pc speakers

I probably won't read an article with that title but it is possible to recognize the mutability and subjectivity of sonic experience (and to have taught remixing for a few years) and still think that remixes should be recognized as distinct pieces of work in their own right. No beef with imago's decision, though.

The problem is knowing the names of things. We make our own prisons. In Greggs I say "one of those"

Would anyone object to us doing 10 tonight and 10 tomorrow?

Sounds great! Is it still going to be albums first?

no

I didn't vote in this, just was not in touch enough with the broad spread of music in that decade, but super excited to see the results and learn!

Are We Having Fun Yet? ILM's Top 100 Tracks Of The 00's

top tracks of the '70s?

Still holding out for 20s

This is news to me. I hope you all like low image resolution

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Please tt don't hurt 'im!

Still holding out for 20s

Bill Griffith was born in 1944

Er, just clicked on the link now and saw that that article was written by an ilxor I respect and one of whose albums I voted for. Sorry about that:(. If it helps, I was feeling annoyed by the argument on here more than anything else.

Also can I be churlish and point out that 'The Magical World of the Strands' was relaased in 1998 and definitely doesn't count here?

coulda ruled out Dead Prez for being first released in early '99 too