PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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Yeah exactly - this is 100% dog whistling to the crowd who think Labour are constantly doing electoral fraud.

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:24 (four years ago) link

This is some evil shit

As gyac says, there is no compulsory national ID in the UK

I mean, it would still be evil even if there were obv

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:27 (four years ago) link

There is no compulsory national ID in Canada either.

pomenitul, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:28 (four years ago) link

There are no "daily activities" where I ever need photo ID which is handy cos. I've only got a passport. Pretty sure there are millions who don't even have that

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:28 (four years ago) link

this has to be voted down, if they rush this through Parliament before a snap election the job is completely fucked, potentially hundreds of thousands of voters won't have photo ID. This is the type of (unnecessary) reform that would take years of planning to prepare people for an election, unless your plan is to stop them voting. Electoral fraud is a micro-problem in the 0.0 recurring %s.

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link

I've never had a fucking passport or driving license in my life

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:30 (four years ago) link

A lot of times when people say 'this is an assault on democracy!' there's some kind of reach going on, or a kind of metaphor required, but this is quite literally an assault on democracy

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:30 (four years ago) link

There is no compulsory national ID in Canada either.


There is in a lot of continental Europe, which is a more relevant example than Canada.

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:31 (four years ago) link

Commonwealth though.

pomenitul, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:31 (four years ago) link

Anyway, in Quebec at least you can vote with your health card, but there appears to be no such thing here.

pomenitul, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:32 (four years ago) link

100% racist bullshit from Eric Pickles.

nashwan, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link

Relevant tweet from Lammy

There was just one conviction for voter impersonation at the last election. 3.5 million citizens do not have a photo ID. Make no mistake. This is a blatant attempt to rig the system and disempower poor and marginalised groups. https://t.co/bHexuHoo3R

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) October 13, 2019

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/five-things-we-have-learnt-about-englands-voter-id-trials-in-the-2019-local-elections/

Piece on the voter ID pilots

Awareness of ID requirements also differs across demographic groups: those aged 18–34 were less likely to have heard about the pilots than those aged 55+; similarly, those from a BAME background were less likely than white respondents to be aware of the ID requirements.

Or Labour voters, you might say.

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:35 (four years ago) link

@AdamBienkov
2h
Priti Patel smirking as Andrew Marr reads out warnings from manufacturers about the potential dire economic impact of a no-deal Brexit on their business.

Marr: “I’m not sure why you’re laughing.”

She really does have just the one setting.

nashwan, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link

As usual, there's a sense in which only the privileged have access to political discourse and/or action. Modern democracy is sadly intent on staying true to its Athenian roots, back when only 30% of the population (adult male citizens) could vote.

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pomenitul, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link

Just asked a relative who actually works in polling stations at every election, and was told this is utter bollocks and no-one but no-one impersonates other people at the polling booths. Which we all knew anyway.

living in the heart of the beat (Matt #2), Sunday, 13 October 2019 11:07 (four years ago) link

previous Queen's speeches to get voted down were in 1886, 1892 and 1923. i presume this voter ID thing is probably some 4d draughts move or something but I hope to fuck it gets voted down.

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 11:48 (four years ago) link

Even if the Queens speech gets passed, I’m not sure any of the individual bills will.

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 11:58 (four years ago) link

so there will be separate votes on the bills? I thought it was all somehow weaved into the Queen's Speech - worst bullshit costume drama ever!

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:03 (four years ago) link

The queen’s speech is laying out their programme for government - we will introduce legislation on the following bills in this session, etc. The Queen’s speech being voted down used to be an automatic confidence vote because it failing means the house doesn’t support the programme for government being set out and none of the laws can pass (implicit).

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:08 (four years ago) link

i think now QS being voted down leads immediately to a confidence vote? (probably i shd check this)

mark s, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link

Dennis Skinner always heckles the speech as well

https://youtu.be/zIktNjgbf4s

https://youtu.be/4VK96xXFf3o

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link

i think now QS being voted down leads immediately to a confidence vote? (probably i shd check this)


Not under FTPA, previously the convention was that the PM would be expected to resign if their Queens speech was voted down.

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link

Roads tomorrow going to be hideous between this & XR, ugh

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link

any chance of the so-called beast of Bolsover throwing a bucket of offal over her and calling her a parasitic nazi this time?

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:15 (four years ago) link

yes looking it up belatedly i think i'm conflating two things:
i: the assumption -- which was probably firmer two years ago than it is now -- that the QS being voted down would immediately be followed as sensible practice by a VONC
ii: an actual formal rule-based principle that the QS being voted down must as of right be be followed by a VONC

ii is not the case, and i is one of many assumptions abt parliamentary norms which is now in question

mark s, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:21 (four years ago) link

my fave royal heckler was John Davidson (the Scottish guy with the swearing form of Tourettes) who called prince charles a parasite and told him camilla is a shit ride!

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 12:24 (four years ago) link

wow a home secretary that smirks at the prospect of what is left of UK manufacturing getting wiped out, love these guys.

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link

priti patel definitely pulled the wings off butterflies as a child

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link

dear god Blackford's a smug cunt tho

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:24 (four years ago) link

Despite all her rage, she's still just a rat in a cage.

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pomenitul, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:24 (four years ago) link

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the self-styled "humble crofter" and big country fan is a bit of a cunt tbf!

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link

Pete Wishart, also SNP, was actually in Big Country.

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link

no Runrig members no credibility

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link

He was also in Runrig!

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link

She really does have just the one setting.

If I was the government I wouldn't be sending Priti Patel out anywhere to talk about anything.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link

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Credibility Unlocked

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link

No wonder Scottish Labour is so fucked

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link

The most remarkable feature of Brexit? For the first time in history, Ireland is more powerful than England

Because Ireland is backed by Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Sweden, Italy, Poland, Denmark, Belgium + 16 more Euro nations

England doesn’t even have the UK

— Andrew Adonis (@Andrew_Adonis) October 12, 2019

plax (ico), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link

i can't

plax (ico), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link

It is ironic as usually everyone loves England.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGwl2CzX0AAOC0b?format=jpg&name=large
Good to know Brian Eno isn’t a Tory.

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link

i thought he was Lib Dem tbh

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link

a chillingly credible accusation tbh

Eno endorsed Corbyn on Marr and criticised the unrelenting media campaign against him - wouldn't be surprised if both the other two (albeit one of them a shy voter!) voted tory

calzino, Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link

But which of the others? Honestly thought they could both be nailed on Tories

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link

Maybe Brooklyn votes Labour lol

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link

Brooklyn owes Kier Starmer Under Me

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link

Eno might not be Lib Dem now but he certainly used to be.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lib-dems-recruit-eno-as-advisor-766175.html

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link

Beckhams have got to be Tories.

Robbie probably doesn’t vote at all.

coup de twat (suzy), Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link


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