the TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN non-plot-specific summing-up thread

Twin Peaks Season 4 cast changes

Frank Silva ... Stock footage
Michael J. Anderson ... A cartoon talking dead tree
Michael Ontkean ... Robert Forster
Robert Forster ... John Saxon's voice through a walkie talkie
David Bowie ... An enormous coffee pot
Don S. Davis ... A cardboard cutout
Miguel Ferrer ... A sarcastic elk who only appears as a reflection in a coffee cup
Warren Frost ... An old light bulb that's somehow been burning for over 100 years
Harry Dean Stanton ... Some dried acadia leaves in a velvet bag
Jack Nance ... A fish in a percolator
Frances Bay ... A wistful sigh of regret
Jimmy Scott ... The desiccated corpse of Jimmy Scott
Peggy Lipton ... Clarence Williams III
Catherine Coulson ... Moira Kelly

would watch

Left off with episode 8 a year-plus ago. Probably do 8 & 9 this weekend. It's now or neverrrrr….

Do it!!!

of course I barely know who some characters are now

takeaway from 2nd look at "Gotta Light?" is NIN is still boring

eps 9 & 10 were p weird and grim, save for Dougie-Janey sex scene

weird and grim is the prevailing twin peaks season 3 mood

psyched for you to finish morbs

if only to know your thoughts on the last episode

Yeah, 'weird + grim' pretty otm as descriptor of The Return. Not sure I'd be up to watching it at this particular moment, tbrr.

that dougie-janey sex scene is one of the strangely uplifting sex scenes i can think of

well I meant weird as in even more narrative stasis than usual, not Lynchweird

also, only Lynch-related but not specifically for The Return (sorry), but i watched Todd Hayne's Safe the other night and was struck by how it seems to be both influenced BY Lynch (esp with certain close-ups of flowers and neighborhoods looking like Blue Velvet) and also an influence ON Lynch (the front of the car highway shots at the beginning of 1995's Safe (Lost Highway in 1997, and Mulholland Drive a couple years later); the shots of mansions up on a hill (also in Mulholland Drive). not just the subject matter of those things, but also the cinematography. The highway scenes, especially, made me think "Lynch MUST have seen this"

When I watched the dead don’t die I had the strong impression that it was the first major post-tptr work, & was vindicated to see an interview with jj where he praised it & said something like “why isn’t lynch given as much money as he wants to do whatever he wants”

It isn’t just you, doc, the four episodes after part 8 are def seen as weird and static by a lot of people. I adore this stretch obv (esp part 12)

I think Wild at Heart also has the road shots, which was before Safe. He uses that a lot.

While stuck at home I’ve rewatched all things Lynch, even the commercials and *shudder* the Duran Duran movie. The Return holds up well, even if it sometimes works better as a collection of Lynchisms than a coherent narrative. It helps to know that a lot of minor subplots won’t resolve and that it doesn’t really matter who Billy is. I love the last episode maybe more than Got A Light? Still not sure about the green glove bit.

I started reading the screenplay to Ronnie Rocket, and interestingly enough it features a character who is transformed through vague electrical “magic” into a passive character who repeats back what others say, like Dougie.

psyched for you to finish morbs

will try to finish b4 i'm finished, could be tough with 2019 film poll also comin' up

u guys are killin' me, no really

I see by a search i'm not the first to point this out (Reddit), but Cooper in eps 17-18 could've learned from Harlan Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever" Star Trek episode that you can't fix history.

There's a sort of just (if grim) comeuppance in Cooper learning this, bcz I never accepted the character's face-value heroism as many seem to, with his annoyingly sunny "give yourself a present" Boy Scout shit.

Have to admit I was hoping "Richard and Linda" would result in a Thompsons music cue.

"My dreams have withered and died" would have been a little too on the money.

https://www.avclub.com/paul-giamatti-twin-peaks-the-return-1851072447

lynch wanted paul giamatti to play one of the mitchum brothers but they couldn't make the scheduling work

OTOH Jim Belushi's casting really added to the uncanny not-rightness of the Dougie sections

Green glove kid is the only casting that bugs me. The entire green glove thing bugs me. Am I remembering right that Pete was going to wear the green glove but it was reworked because Jack Nance died?

I'm still saving the last two episodes to watch. I enjoyed it so much I couldn't bear to watch the last ones.

And now I've forgotten it all so I'll have to watch the whole thing if I want to finish it.

it might not make the difference you are presuming tbh

Green glove kid is the only casting that bugs me. The entire green glove thing bugs me. Am I remembering right that Pete was going to wear the green glove but it was reworked because Jack Nance died?

yeah was kinda daft, but didn't "Pete" die at the end of the original series?

I think lynch said the green glove stemmed from an idea he had for jack nance back in the day, not for twin peaks specifically (nance died over a decade before the return had even been conceived)

There was a cutaway & an explosion in the original finale — it was a cliffhanger! — but had nance been alive in 2014 I’m 100% sure he would have been in it one way or another

Yes, I was taking my info from the Mark Frost book where he stated he had died in the explosion but now realise that the book was released in 2016

"If David Bowie can be a boiler..."

Just had to familiarize myself with the episode 16 you would have last watched, this one has the amazing scene with Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh and the crazy neighbour guy! haha

People are under a lot of stress, Bradley.

lynch wanted paul giamatti to play one of the mitchum brothers but they couldn't make the scheduling work

― na (NA), Wednesday, December 6, 2023 10:15 AM (yesterday)

Agreed with the OP commenters suggesting to just watch Lodge 49 instead.