Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 14 January 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm also hearing the theme from 'Some Mothers Do Have 'Em'. I suppose anything Ronnie Hazelhurst would do.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 15 January 2005 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't got Real Player. Perhaps we could whistle it today. Double the nostalgia.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 15 January 2005 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Get real!

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 15 January 2005 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Liverpool vanquished 1-0 by lowly Burnley.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Difficult to argue with today's result (except on moral grounds, obviously) - L'pool dominant for 45 minutes and but for Milan's comedy finishing it would've been something of a hiding well before the Cahill scorcher and frenzied climax. I think I celebrated Pistone's long-overdue withdrawal almost as much the goal. Still puzzling over the mere three mins of injury time (and the fact that Dudek's time-wasting in that injury time was apparently only worth a further two seconds). I fancied us for a (probably undeserved) equaliser if we'd had the luxury of a 95th minute against the 9.5 men.

It hurts but not as much as two seasons ago (when a one-point advantage turned into a two-point deficit on Easter Saturday and we knew all was lost). I even exchanged texts with Jerry, instead of chucking myself under a 63 bus.

This might not really change things. The Olympiakos, Arsenal and Leverkusen victories didn't spark the classy surge Rednoses expected and I doubt this will (in fact, Bolton could take a point - or more - from Anfield in a fortnight) and I don't think Everton will simply dissolve into the pack either. I'm taking comfort from the memory of the 86-87 run-in when Liverpool 'had to win' the Anfield derby - they did but promptly lost at Coventry a week later, effectively ending their title challenge.

To play:
EFC (51pts, +3gd) - Palace, B'ham, Man U and Newcastle at home, West Brom, Arsenal, Fulham and Bolton away.
LFC (47pts, +12gd) - Bolton, Spurs, Boro and Villa at home, Palace, Man C, Portsmouth and Arsenal away.

Place your bets.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 20 March 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Very hard to call. Thought we were good today, but as you say wouldn't be overly optimistic about Bolton (or any other game).

Probably Nunez's best game to date, thought Smicer was really awful and gave away the ball an awful lot, he's so weak! Thought Pellegrino was good today actually, which is unusual. Baros was great if he could just score. Very good match but god do we always make it hard for ourselves.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 20 March 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Impossible to call.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 20 March 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Without the "big three", best odds:

Everton 4/6
Liverpool 11/8
Bolton 7/1
Charlton 40/1
Middlesbrough 40/1
Newcastle United 50/1
Tottenham Hotspur 66/1

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 20 March 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope bolton finish 4th

charlton fucked up in the most unbelievable fashion yesterday. they should look at themselves in the mirror. and say the word cunt.

chorleylido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

It would be extraordinary if Bolton finished 4th after that run of consecutive defeats earlier in the season. How many was it - six? Seven?

Having hung round a couple of grubby online footy forums yesterday, trying to find a Blue-friendly London pub in which to watch the derby (something JtN seemed to find by accident), I treated myself to a skim through the whole four-year span of this thread late last night - it really cheered me up. Even 'crap bunglers that are ultra boring to watch' doesn't sting like it did.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

A league in which Bolton could become entrants in Europe'a premier competition says at lot about the Premiership doesn't it? To be hoenst, given that Everton haven't had much form since Gravesen left, their continued presence in 4th is surprising too.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 21 March 2005 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Liverpool have the advantage because they get to play Villa, whereas Everton have to face the resurgent West Brom.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

But Liverpool have about four players left.

We should be celebrating the fact that Everton and Bolton could qualify for the Champions League, not deriding it. Greece won Euro2004!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 21 March 2005 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the final scoreline flattered EFC, a bit. Watching the highlights again confirmed what was, for the most part, the best LFC home game of the season. Most satisfying was watching Strachan having to admit he was completely wrong in his anti-LFC match prediction. As he was in choosing LFC as the weak link in England's Champion's League contenders in the last round. I will be glad to see him leave the Guardian punditista.

EFC now have 11 points from their last 11 games and still have to face The Arse, ManU and Newcastle... But Bolton are giving me the fear.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 21 March 2005 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

There could be a situation in which we travel to Bolton on the last day...and I want us to lose.

EFC now have 11 points from their last 11 games

True - post-Gravesen disintegration in full effect, as I predicted. But LFC took 7 from 7 prior to yesterday; I think we can take 12 from the last 8. If you lot take 16+, then fair enough (playing like yesterday, you will; displaying yr average 04-05 away form, you won't). Bolton taking 17 from 8 isn't that unlikely considering their run-in.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like Bolton, me.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont like middlesboro.

im glad they are out of it now

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

liverpool are to play bolton next. with a few of their players out

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing against the two Merseyside clubs, but I have immense admiration for what Sam has achieved at Bolton on bugger all money. Am I misremembering, or did a commentator say that their entire first team the other day cost something absurd like 2.3m in transfer fees?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 21 March 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing against the two Merseyside clubs, but I have immense admiration for what Sam has achieved at Bolton on bugger all money.

Before the Rooney sale that was the Everton situation too, of course (forcing Moyes to make careful, incremental, one-in-one-out improvements to the squad; alas, the first big money splash he was allowed in nearly three years has so far produced a couple of dodgy goals and a headbutt). The Liverpool coffers, on the other hand, seem to be bottomless.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Presumably Bolton pay those Real Madrid rejects quite a lot, and they were blethering on about signing Rivaldo at one point.

Was it their mascot that got sent off the other day?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I did some digging around to find this data (not necessarily accurate due to the number of transfer values that are 'undisclosed') but the cost of current squads in the top six is approx:

Chelsea: £218m
Man U: £139m
Arsenal: £73m
Everton: £28m
Liverpool: £75m
Bolton: £3m

So, hats off to Sam for making full use of Bosmans.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Any idea where the chasing pack fit into that, Mike? I suspect Spurs and Newcastle dwarf Middlesbrough and Charlton in terms of spending. Although I don't for one minute imagine Boro got Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink on Mark Viduka on the cheap.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

They should rename them Blob-Sams in his honour.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the first big money splash he was allowed in nearly three years has so far produced a couple of dodgy goals and a headbutt

But Duncan Ferguson's been there much longer than Moyes?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I make Newcastle's squad £48m and Tottenham's £50m. I didn't know Spurs had a defender called Defendi!

Boro and Charlton to come (I really shouldn't be doing this...it's White Noise delivery day).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Boro £28m, Charlton £27m. Hasselbaink was FREE, Viduka was £4.5m.

Markelby: ho ho.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Please work out the wage bills. I think this is where 'Big Sam' comes unstuck.

White Noise looks very scary. I bet it is a voiceover nightmare. I am doing Jamaican patois.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

have you heard the White Noise lp, Mike? from...68? well, actually, there are 2, but i haven't heard the other one

charlton lido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Big Sam survives by only signing 1-year contracts, so they can afford the wages in the Premiership, and if relegated, they're OK as the players are mostly let go anyway.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Charlton £27m

Blimey! That surprises me, I must admit.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Euell, Johansson and Young account for £12m of that, Matt.

Charlton have 16 players in their squad who cost them something, but Boro only have five - all pricey sods, though. Ehiogu was £8m!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a copy of that White Noise LP, Gareth (though not the other one). The one on Island, I mean. It's Delia Derbyshire and someone, isn't it? I remember buying it years ago (early 80s) because I had got so used to seeing the cover on the old Island inner sleeves that I'd convinced myself I wanted it. It's OK-to-not-very-good, I think. I like "Firebird".

Tim (Tim), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

yea, firebird is the only track i like on it also.

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I should hear this White Noise stuff

Sven Basted (blueski), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(Isn't that Gaardsoe rather than Gera?)

Inevitable post-Gravesen slump continues. Now starting to worry about Boro & Charlton. 8th seems likely. Liverpool hauling us in like in '64, '75, '78, '86, '03... Would quite like the Bianconeri to kick LFC to pieces on Tuesday.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Does this signal a Baggies revival?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd love WBA to stay up; for the sake of departmental harmony I suppose I should be cheering on Southampton too. Palace I have no affection for despite living within walking distance of Selhurst. Norwich are gone. I'd like to see one or two of Pompey, Blackburn & Fulham drop.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought they looked pretty good - especially Kieran Richardson. I enjoyed Moyles' lame post-match penalty appeal for holding hands in the box.

Is anyone else planning on watching LFC v Juve in London Town on Tuesday evening?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I might be up for this, Jerry. I appear to have been pressganged into a client-schmoozing session at some godawful bar in Hammersmith, but I might be able to escape at 7-ish for footie-watching. (It's on ITV, isn't it?)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like Blackburn to go down, and Portsmouth, and Palace and B'ham City and most of the others as well.

Out of the local teams, I think I like Wycombe best. For no reason, obv.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I really want Liverpool to beat Juventus, and I've hated Liverpool all my life.

I would have liked Palace to stay up, but I can't see it now. Blackburn are probably going to grind their way to safety with 0-0 draws till the end of the season. WBA are on a roll and might just make it, which probably means one of the Hampshire teams. Earlier in the season I would definitely have preferred Portsmouth, but post-Harry I don't really care if they go down.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

There have been several instances of Moyes "losing it" in recent weeks - he's becoming as delusional as Houllier at his worst. First the Beattie butt, then the Anfield injury-time (he had a point, but...), now this... All the while talking us up and saying what a great season we've had after 1-0 home defeats by Charlton and Blackburn.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

dream relegations:

palace
Portsmouth (becoming more and more of a delicious possibility)
Fulham

hmmm, hopefully two of those will happen, but Norwich have obviously scuppered me getting all three

ceebee, Monday, 4 April 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

> some godawful bar in Hammersmith

can you narrow this down? i might pop along and schmooze.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

my guess: Bar 38

Sven Basted (blueski), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I know the answer, but I'm not telling in case it's a secret.

But yes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not really an open event, Koogy. In fact, it's now sounding very official, very ungetoutableof and very forgetleavingatseven. My open distaste for this kind of thing has probably put the kibosh on any senior managerial aspirations I may have had. Everyone else is like, "Free drinks! How can you not love that?!"

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link


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