Aerosmith 'Rocks' - the first punk-dub album?

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― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

honestly, i'm not saying aerosmith is a super funk band but i just don't like funkadelic as much as i "should"...i should give them a try again. maybe i'll like it more.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

you dont have to like them m@tt but damn to say that they didnt rock as hard as aerosmith or werent as funky...that's just unusual, and means you might be talking more about parliament than funkadelic. get thee to a copy of 'maggot brain' tout de suite my friend!

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i've heard maggot brain the song...i mean, it's a cool guitar solo and everything.

yeah i might be wrong on this, sometimes i don't like stuff for years then i end up loving it...but one thing that really hit me in one chuck eddy book was where he was saying how basically no one admits how tedious p-funk can be at times.

*but i am no expert on them by any means.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but chuck is sometimes a doodyhead, and maybe i should have indicated maggot brain the album instead of "maggot brain" the song. also there are many other funkadelic songs that i could mention if i wanted to derail the thread but i don't

BECAUSE I ALSO LOVE AEROSMITH IN ALL THEIR GLORY AND I AM NOT HATING ON THEM BY ANY MEANS

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

alright aerosmith is cool. let's focus on the issues.

would still be interested in any more opinions on night in the ruts.

i have done w/mirros on cassette somewhere, i remember it being good when i was a kid, i wonder if it holds up?

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i remember my friend sam and i being confused by the darkness of sound on 'night in the ruts,' but we loved the title haha lol

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

M@tt, seek ye out Music For Your Mother...

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:dvftxqugldhe

...the finest Funkadelic comp out there. And if you get nothing out of it, that's that.

And Chuck had a lot more praise for Funkadelic in his earlier book! And also in an '86 Creem Metal piece called "The REAL Black Metal". (First C.E. thing I ever read, I believe.)

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

If Aerosmith's done anything heavier than "Super Stupid" I haven't heard it.

― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

man you should check out "livin' on the edge"!

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

man you should check out "standing on the verge"!

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm seeing the two bands playing on different stages, slowly coming together until they're both rocking out OMG METAL ZANADU

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 12 April 2007 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"Pink" or "Jaded" by Aerosmith may actually out-heavy "Super Stupid" and be in "Supernaut" or "Into the Void" territory though, on second thought.

― Bill Magill, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

still really digging draw the line...the cover of milk cow blues is really epic, all bad vibes and druggie dread.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt, if you've never seen P-Funk at a proper show (not a festival where they cant stretch out) doing "Cosmic Slop" you haven't seen what a guitar band can do with groove and heaviness.

get thee to emusic, they have tons of funkadelic reissues.

― UncleTomfly, Friday, 13 April 2007 08:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Why bother with Funkadelic when we can revel in the heaviness of blockbusters like "Love in an Elevator"?

― Bill Magill, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

listened to toys in the attic this AM...i forget how awesome the album traxx are! uncle salty is the bomb.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"Night in the Ruts" is pretty meh if I recall. The true beginning of the falling off -- definitely not an underrated gem in the way that "Draw the Line" is. It does have a pretty cool Jimmy Page-era Yardbirds cover in "Think About It".

best Funkadelic heaviosity : "Alice in My Fantasies"
best Aerosmith funk : "Sight For Sore Eyes"

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I can totally hear P.Funk's cover of "Love in an Elevator" in my mind.

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"Adam's Apple" is probably my favorite Toys album track

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah adam's apple is good too...so is no more no more...it's all good actually!

i mean, in fairness, i bet george clinton later records have a shitload of crap worse than livin on the edge.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

no way matt - and certainly nothing close to that desmond child-penned "Angel" song. thats right up there with "god gave rock and roll to you" as among the worst songs ever written

― UncleTomfly, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If you haven't heard those albums then you can't be all "in fairness", that's the definition of unfairness! And the latest P.Funk All-Stars album has some insane metal blowouts, some dudes lost their hearing aids over that mess.

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

and "Livin' on the Edge" is a fine song with the big bass drum jammies, dude turns into a frogman and pops out of his own body, how is that not awesome?

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

alright not in fairness...i just refuse to believe that there's not more than a few george clunkers...anyway this whole thing is dumb, pfunk vs. aerosmith is a weird battle...alls i know is that all this week cranking up aerosmith has made eating oatmeal and watching the today show w.the sound turned off 8 million times better.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

anybody heard that "By Way of the Drum" record that Hip-O just put out?

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe i should put that on the Funkadelic thread

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not saying aerosmith is a super funk band

I am!

damn to say that they didnt rock as hard as aerosmith or werent as funky...that's just unusual

It's also true.

If Aerosmith's done anything heavier than "Super Stupid" I haven't heard it.

I have.

i bet george clinton later records have a shitload of crap worse than livin on the edge

They do.

Nothing against Funkadelic, though; they were great! (And nope, I'm not expanding on this. If you're curious, um, check the archives yo.)

― xhuxk, Saturday, 14 April 2007 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, maybe saying Aerosmith "weren't as funky" as not true. I'll leave that open for debate. But saying they rocked harder (at their best, and more consistently) is hardly an outrageous statement. And I say that as somebody who almost always played both "Chip Away At the Stone" and "Can You Get To That" in his DJ sets (neither of which necessarily represent said bands at their "funkiest" and/or "hardest," not that I care.) Given the choice, Aerosmith is more likely to make me dance.

I am not returning to this thread, so don't ask.

― xhuxk, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaze?

― Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Any love for 'Critical Mass?' I think it was their last great song.

― calstars, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The bass part especially, and the double-tracked "celebrate - celebrate - celebrate yicks!' vocal...

― calstars, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

fucking love that song! it's sort of strange, isn't it...really weird and odd changes, but i love it...lyrics are really vague and odd as well.

i like most of draw the line actually

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

and the false ending and the backwards guitars.

― calstars, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

My choice for best Perry solo is 'Lord of the Thighs,' though he also kicks it on the studio version of 'Train Kept a Rollin.'

― calstars, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"Critical Mass" has that "Blockbuster"/"Jean Genie"/"Muckraker" thing going on too

― Stormy Davis, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

Never properly listened to 'Rocks' until I replayed it today and it just clicked - whatever was going up their nose back them sure did come out in some kick ass songs ...

― BlackIronPrison, Friday, 29 May 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

might as well

― pax raggetta (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 May 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

question: is this thread the origin-point of the intense display of fanship on ILX for 70s Aeromsith?

― pax raggetta (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 May 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

those mini guitar solos in "nobody's fault" are so frickin badass.

― 2am chopped top (brimstead), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 10:36 (eleven years ago) link

I just had that going through my head the other day. Which is weird because I've only heard it a few times.

― flared bass (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 10:43 (eleven years ago) link

listening on headphones the other night I discovered all this crazy shit going on just underthe music during "Back in the Saddle". Nice work Jack Douglas.

Back when I used to listen to headphones on a regular basis, this was one of my fave albums to do it with. There's a lot of creepy stuff going on that you miss w/out 'phones, esp. in Saddle, yeah.

There's no other record in their catalog that has a production as murky, as layered, or as rich. I mean murky in a good way, too.

― Doctor Flange, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

listening to this right now for 70s rawk poll, Perry's leads (which fade in and out of the mix) sound a little like Fripp on Scary Monsters

― Josh and D.A.M. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

Perry's leads on "Rats in the Cellar", I mean

― Josh and D.A.M. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link

ah my favorite thread title

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

otm

― Josh and D.A.M. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

okay Nobody's Fault slams

― Josh and D.A.M. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link

those little guitar accents in "last child"

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

and "rats in the cellar"! all those screaming guitar noises just barely escaping the mix

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

Drugs - I knew you'd like it.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

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