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scott: Sugababes have a song on the Love Actually soundtrack that i heard a lot here, called "Too Lost In You". someone needs to do a Rough Guide To Girls Aloud, because i feel like checking them out.
and dee you're right, but the Elizabeth Mendez-Berry piece on Jay 'Classic Material' just !KILLS!, as does that entire book.
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link
I have nothing to add off the top of my head, but great thread, thanks for the tips everyone.
― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Here's Chuck's Gladys Knight & the Pips Rule (which is his way of restating Meltzer's "The rock 'n' roll experience must combine both the awesome and the trivial in order for either facet to be potent"):
In "Midnight Train to Georgia," which everybody I've ever met acknowledges as a great record, the frivolousness of the Pips doing their train-whistle ooo-woos (especially if you're watching it on TV and they're gesturing and spinning around in unison at the same time) is what keeps Gladys's soul singing down-to-earth. Without the Pips, Gladys would be merely "intense" - not catchy enough, therefore boring, therefore not intense at all, really. Calling music "intense" or "emotional" or "soulful" is usually a euphemism for "it seems like something I'm supposed to like." It's fairly obvious that the Pips alone would be an ignorable proposition; my point is that Gladys alone would be just as ignorable. And, in fact, the problem with most soul music is that it's all-Gladys/no-Pips: e.g., '60s Aretha Franklin subscribed to the fallacy that by removing shlockish prettiness from music (Dionne Warwick's "I Say A Little Prayer," say) you improve it, when really you just make it more reverent....
Then again, since rock'n'roll is a leisure time activity, there are inevitably people who act like music should be all Pips/no-Gladys. But that wouldn't work, either, since Gladysness is where music's tragedy comes from. As often as not, I need moroseness or violence in my disco. My sense of humor's fine, but the trash-aesthetic concept of forced insignificance (where ideas and passion and audacity are shrugged off as "pretentious") isn't fun - it's lazy.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Best writing on this thread: "...arguing against tons of ppl by yourself is sort of an acquired taste." I was gonna say "because no one enjoys arguing against tons of ppl by yourself" and then I realised oh wait, some ppl *do* enjoy that and sometimes I do, too, but most of the time most ppl don't.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link
five years pass...