The Pipettes

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Well, I find it lively and sweeping and an utter delight, w/ the background voices meshing perfectly w/ the lead during the chorus ("Dance w/ me...") and the strings accelerating toward ths song's end and the girl's trading off voices during the "personal preference" verse (all apologies for my rather crude descriptions)...

...But I suppose (and this certainly seems like a cop out on my part, doesn't it?) it just comes down to personal aesthetic taste doesn't it? There's a part of me that really hopes this song becomes as big as "Dancing Queen" - and another, more irrational, part of me that KNOWS this song will become as big as "Dancing queen".

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

You must be retarded then.

everything (everything), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dancing Queen"? I don't like the band, but that's just cruel.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Thursday, 22 June 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Pull Shapes

davelus (davelus), Friday, 23 June 2006 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

ok

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Friday, 23 June 2006 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"Pull Shapes" is classic for the following reasons:

1. It is very happy.
2. The strings, they are quite good.
3. You can hear "There's a whole floor before us" as "There's a whole floppy forest", and that's quite silly.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 23 June 2006 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

they're kinda like musical equivalent of halloween candy. good, but after too much, you get a stomach ache.

pinder (pinder), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

more like musical equivalent to a big pile of dog shit

boonah (boonah), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i like "ABC"
and...that's about it.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

u guys so wacky

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I like some of their stuff but boy the drummer on the album needs to calm down. He's just banging away in the background like he's in The Go Team or something. Completely innapropriate to the songs.

mms (mms), Friday, 23 June 2006 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The bit where one of them goes "I like to hip hop!" is pretty cringe-inducing, isn't it?

Flyboy (Flyboy), Friday, 23 June 2006 07:55 (seventeen years ago) link

the fact that the new video is a shot for shot "homage" to the party scene in russ meyer's beyond the valley of the dolls appalls and impresses me in about equal measure. it also forcibly underlines how inferior the pipettes are to the fictional kerry nations.

the go! teams producer worked on the rcord i hear, so that might explain the resemblance. they sound like my life story with even less panache to me.

cw (cww), Friday, 23 June 2006 09:44 (seventeen years ago) link

They needed to be produced by Alan Braxe.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 23 June 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"kerry nations" = the carrie nations

mms (mms), Friday, 23 June 2006 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

ooops. quite right. have you seen the video? it's pretty spooky. z man's pretty good but harris doesn't quite make it. the gurning toothless woman is pretty much spot on.

cw (cww), Friday, 23 June 2006 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, I don't get the hostility. There are so many things to like about The Pipettes, but even if you don't they're not a big pile of dog shit by any means.

daavid (daavid), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, I don't get the love. There are so many things to hate about The Pipettes, but even if you don't they are a big pile of dog shit by all means.

zappi (joni), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

The bit where one of them goes "I like to hip hop!" is pretty cringe-inducing, isn't it?

and then there's the little "scratching" sample? that's great! it's funny. that song is neck and neck with "what you know" for single of year for me.

how much fun would a fun-hater hate if a fun-hater hated fun?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh please! My problem with them is that they sound as if their brand of fun is very... prim.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Not prim enough, really.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Best single I've heard this year. The one who sings lead on this one has a really good voice.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

In an a time where we have Girls Aloud and Sugababes, liking the Pipettes is a bit like being nostalgic for Herman's Hermits.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, as ridiculous as Herman's Hermits were, they're by far the best of the bands you've mentioned.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Saturday, 24 June 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"In an a time where we have Girls Aloud and Sugababes, liking the Pipettes is a bit like being nostalgic for Herman's Hermits."

It begs question whether taste need be an either/or proposition. Frankly, I feel that one may be openminded enough to enjoy both Wong Kar-Wai and Howard Hawks, Dostoyevsky and David Foster Wallace, and, in terms of mainstream pop music, Sugababes and Herman's Hermits. The past shouldn't be treated as a foreign country, after all.

ALSO: Yay Pipettes!

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Saturday, 24 June 2006 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't remember where i nicked the "past as a foreign country" bit from...works well within the argument, I suppose.

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

What about not being particularly nostalgic per se for Herman's Hermits? What about just realizing that they were often really good? Is that okay?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, sure, nostalgia. Nostalgia is a part of the postmodern condition. There is nothing postmodern about Girls Aloud or Sugababes?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the first song of theirs I've heard where it sounds like they can actually sing, which is kind of important for what they're trying to do. I found "Your Kisses" impossible to listen to, even though the pre-chorus (?) bit where Gwenno sings "You might try..." is one of the more beautiful things I've heard in a long time.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 June 2006 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Things I didn't need to find out: said Gwenno is in fact a ringer, having toured the world with Lord of the Dance and Riverdance for many years, recorded a couple of Welsh-language singles and (reportedly) represented Wales in Eurovision-type contests, and had her own TV show (again in Welsh). And here's her myspace with a solo song on it: http://www.myspace.com/gwenno

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 June 2006 05:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, the album's full of really blatant filler.

huh? it's as tight as you could ever want! it's bloody marvelous, it doesn't outstay its welcome and it has repeatedly made me laugh out loud on the tube.

the my life story comparison is not a million miles from the truth, either! and that's sure to sort the men from the boys.

the day looks are ignored when it comes to image-conscious bands is the day pop music dies, and anyone who seriously thinks a band's visual aesthetic is irrelevant or not worthy of judgement is naive to the extreme. kate, you know this really, stop being reactionary!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Does the world really need a female Showaddywaddy?

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Saturday, 24 June 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Does the world really need an Everett True wank fantasy with an organised street team?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 June 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno, do you?

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Saturday, 24 June 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"wait, why am I not just listening to that? It is way better than the Pipettes."

That's kind of the problem with the entire thing, isn't it? I like a couple of their songs alright, but after two or three minutes I just start wondering why I'm not listening to One Kiss Can Lead To Another instead.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 24 June 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Can any of you people with theory grounding explain to me what it is they're doing (or not) with harmony . I realized last night that it sounds very much like the B-52s, and no one else. Is it a specific, unusual interval or just bad singing?

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think there's anything unusual about it intervallically.

I really like the drum sound on this record. I like how they've done a bigger production that uses that contemporary garage rock drum sound (fairly dry, crisp, and loud). It's fresh.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Above comments on production weirdness seconded. Listen to "Pull Shapes": for the most part when they're singing together it's fairly normal. Then the bits where each singer gets a line: Gwenno's bit ("I like to disco," later "I lead with left hand") sounds pretty consistent with the rest of the song, and lots of multitracking. But then Rose comes in ("I like to rock and roll,") and Becki ("I like to hip hop") - the recording levels are so high, you can hear the voices start to distort, plus that incredibly wet echo - you can hear them standing in a big, empty room. It sounds like those bits were recorded completely separately and then sloppily edited in.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Sunday, 25 June 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i love them, and i don't get the hate, although it's apparently quite extended too. but i can't understand why some people hate them so much and want us to feel guilty for liking them... whatever. great songs, great fun.

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 26 June 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Sounds okay. Perky, catchy, and fucking bulletproof from every direction. They manage to occupy some weird cultural overlook that makes 'em seem simultaneously "manufactured" and "authentic", and in the process rubbishes the distinction. Like electroclash for people who don't do (as much) cocaine.

P.S. They're sexy.

And the perception of "sexy" takes up a lot of the male brain think-capacity. We all know this: male, female, gay, straight, whatever. We all know that most guys spend an awful lot of their time looking at "hot" bodies and thinking about what might be done with or to them, as depersonalized sex objects. (Hopefully, we're also grown up enough to realize that this is perfectly okay...)

The Pipettes know know that the boys are looking, as did the Ronettes and certainly Spector himself. Sure, they're speaking to other girls of/from shared experience, but they're also, very explicity, speaking to boys. And specifically, intentionally positioning themselves as objects-to-be-looked-at.
And lusted-over.
By boys.

So be it. And so what? That's what people do. It's what rock bands do. Just like the Strokes and Iggy Pop before them. Sex appeal appeals. Again, though, I suspect that everyone already knows this.

If the Pipettes didn't WANT their sex appeal to be an issue, they wouldn't make such an issue of it. And since they do so obviously want it to be an issue, I think it's perfectly appropriate to include it in the discussion.

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the world could sorely do with a female Showaddywaddy!

I am quite nostalgic about Herman's Hermits. But I do not live in 1964.

I think sentimentality about the future is far more dangerous than sentimentality about the past.

I have only heard a couple of Pipettes tracks.

They sounded fairly good and witty to me.

It would be nice to have a Fuzzbox revival.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

no one is really talking about their (stultifyingly unimaginitive)image though are they, most of the criticicm is targeted at the tired and cynical sonic hack work.

cw (cww), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I always associate Showaddywaddy with Russ Abbott's Madhouse. Were they on it a lot?

Pippettes image is not sexy, it is sterile, like their name.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Considering the geezer from the Go! Team worked on the record, I'm disappointed that it has such little oomph or invention or wit. They go on about Spector, but when his records came out they sounded (I am imagining) HUGE and MODERN and a little SCARY! With their quaint aesthetic sensibilities, if the Pipettes had existed in 1962 they would have sounded like Vera Lynn!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

This depends on whether you consider "HUGE and MODERN and a little SCARY" to be positives and "quaint aesthetic sensibilities" a pejorative.

If Uncut had existed in 1962 they would have been doing 30-page cover features on Vera Lynn.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Well no: if you invoke the spirit of pre-Beatles pop as a positive thing, you should at least try and be animated by some of that spirit yourself, rather recreating the period details in a rather literal way.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

This is easily solveable. Have the Pipettes featured in Uncut? Have they featured in... MOJO! Does MOJO even put newish people in evarr? Roger Waters who invented Water was on the cover, once.

I like their song, ABC! I would not like to see them live, because it's all a bit creepy. It's like the Sarah Cracknell effect manipulated to the max, more than one song can get quite unappetising. Also, MEN OF THE WORLD, there are grillions of gurlies who look like this if you just go to Brick Lane market or indeed to New Cross :( ... or do I mean :) I dunno!!

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pipettes don't qualify for the cover of Uncut or Mojo, being alive.

They sound nothing like the Beatles, nor especially like the Vernons Girls or the Caravelles.

Doubtless if they were middle-aged, hairy men replicating the period details of the Flying Burrito Brothers, Uncut writers would be disposed towards them more favourably.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I wasn't thinking the cover. I was thinking one of the tiny rectangles at the bottom of page 132 with teeny tiny picture. I can't imagine the Pipettes being on the cover of Plan B, never mind Uncute/Modjo.

I like to think of them - incidentally - as the Pie Pets, which is a much better name, don't you think?

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If they did a cover of the Caravelles' "I hear a new kind of music" I might like them!

Funnily enough, I have written about the Pipettes for Uncut. But I don't think I have written about many middle-aged hairy men! I do quite like that Midlake record though.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link


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