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The Romans were largely rabid Hellenists, so it made sense to me.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, yes, but he at the same time he did has his Roman name. Also they weren't necessarily very good at being Hellenists. But... yeah, I wasn't sure whether that was accurate or not.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Either way, it was a nice touch - love all the religion too.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the religious stuff was very nice.

That opening theme still sucks though. Why they didn't go with a Mtn Goats song is beyond me. (There were a few moments where Marc Antony looked like J0hn in this last ep!)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link

How about the by-the-hour Roman motel with blinded bellhops and a lil' blind baby cherub? Anybody vouch for historical veracity on that one?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link


still like this show, last night was good, with an appearence by Caesars siezures

JD from CDepot, Monday, 19 September 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

previews for next week look great: "Way to go Octavius, way to seduce your Uncle Julius!"

I want to know how they're going to get Lucius Vorenus back into the army. I thought maybe Pompey's boy would kill (hotttt) Niobe and that would get him back into the Legion, but no dice.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

It's Octavian, Milo.

Very true about Niobe. Very, very hott and she reminds me of a mosaic from Pompei too.

I'm becoming fond of the Pullo character, strangely, and some of the dialogue between Lucius and he is classic, such as when, after Pullo has advised Lucius to attend to the little button above his wife's c*nt, Lucius asks in horror and indignation how Pullo knows about it.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

mmm, niobe. really stunning.

anyway this is going a bit slow and the atia stuff is still v lame.

i liked all the religion! the augurs, the shrines, candles everywhere, and everyone treating it like real actual stuff.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah pullo is becoming my favorite too! Atia and Octavia remind me of Edina and Saffy.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to know how they're going to get Lucius Vorenus back into the army.

That was pretty interesting! Mostly because you'd expect the bit about why people would join the army to come at the beginning, rather than in the middle.

How long is this series supposed to go?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Ten episodes, I think.
This past week was the one where I lost interest.
And Extras sucked.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

This past week had the lowest Atia content yet!

What is/are Extras?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

That opening theme still sucks though. Why they didn't go with a Mtn Goats song is beyond me.

Or that B-52s song

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

That thought had crossed my mind as well.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't care for last week's - it was just moving the story along (and I find the Caesarian love-quadrangle pretty wack anyway, between Atia, Mrs. Caesar and the Mistress with the serious Botox dependency), not enough time for Pullo/Lucius wise-cracking.

Pullo and Young Augustus getting together was great, though.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

pullo reminds me of falstaff from shakespeare, so obviously he rules. this and arrested development are my two favorite shows right now.

"Or that B-52s song"
Rock Lobster?

JD from CDepot, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

things i'm wondering: is octavian going to grow up? will we see anther actor take over that part? is the series going to that far past caesar's death?

i've said upthread that i liked how the show places religion. it's all very pagan and nasty and corrupt but at the same time very serious and real (to vorenus especially) but how much of it will turn out to be actual? the entrail reader promised niobe her husband would be rich, and sevilia (sp?) cursed gaius and atia (scary scratching on lead sheets, very cool)...how much of this will the plot actualize? other than the 'e tu' obv.

much repsec to indira varma's stunt-boob, whoever she was.

geoff (gcannon), Saturday, 1 October 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

If they last long enough and go one year per season, I expect they'd keep the actor throughout. He was still young - 19 or 20 - when he went to war against Marc Antony and Cleopatra, and the actor is probably 13 or 14 now.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 1 October 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link


i think the show is supposed to ust be ten episodes long, right?

JD from CDepot, Monday, 3 October 2005 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link

2nd season's been approved i think

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:15 (eighteen years ago) link

This is actually meant to be a series rather than a miniseries? That's ridiculous!

The last episode seemed week and poorly directed. With the omnipresence of sex in Rome, it hardly seems like Octavian would have been as afraid and ignorant of the act as they made him.

Still, someone gets to pad out his resume with "Appeared in HBO's Rome as 'Slave with Very Large (Onscreen) Penis'". That's worth something.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"weak".

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah as soon as that cast member (DYS!@#!@#) made his appearance i immediately wondered how the casting was done...

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

agreed that this one was a low point. hope this picks up soon, cos i'm hooked, and worried it's not going to be that great.

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

It's had brilliant moments (okay, yeah, I'm going to keep cheering on the Octavian, Pullo, Vorenus plots, Atia's good in small doses), but then there are entire weak eps (like the last one) that make me wonder.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

It's Octavian, Milo.

[special voice]he did actually go by the name Octavius for at least some of his life.[/special voice]

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

During his dative years, or something?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Shows like the Wire are realisticaly accurate that (as far as reference material) its easier to keep it exciting. Don't come down so hard on series. Its not bad...Its just really the British accents that are F'ing me up.

And YES Niobe is bad!!! In a good way. She was bad in Kama Sutra and still is.

Mr Godwell, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link


sweet sweet Niobe. even tho id rather fuck Atia.

and how badass is Marc Antony? having whores fight for his pleasure, what a monster. how cool.

JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Another slooooooooow week, and I hated the way the battle was handled (though that was somewhat redeemed later in the episode). Some great scenes, though - Lucius Vorenus and Pompey Magnus and then with Caesar. The guy who plays Cicero is an amazing actor, he's definitely the best of the Senators/patricians in the cast. Marc Antony runs a close second for his Caligula-like glee (cf. battling whores, yes).

Atia and her family/soap opera (aside from Octavian) remains a weak point of the show, even more boring now that they're irrelevant to the episodes themselves. There's something wrong with Brutus's mouth, I think, or maybe he just talks funny.

I'm not too keen on where the show is headed based on next week's preview - seems like they're compressing the civil war/Caesar meets Cleopatra (getting Lucius Vorenus's sloppy seconds by the look of it) more than is necessary. I wonder if maybe they'll actually finish this season with Caesar's assassination and begin the next season with Octavian becoming Augustus?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yea, I wasn't a fan of how they did the battle either, milo. Rest of the episode was pretty great though! Tobias Menzies as Brutus really reminds me of Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

It was my thought also, that they'd end this season with Caesar being killed, what with how fast things are moving. I'm not sure how well Max Pirkis would fit the role of the older Octavian so soon though, if this is the case.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought the high point of the series so far has been the Octavian/Pullo interaction, and that seems to be over for good now. Pullo/Vorenus is fun, too, but not quite as great.

I guess what I'm saying here is I'm worried it peaked about two weeks ago and we're on a downward slide now.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they did the battle scene that way to keep the budget low. I cracked up when they had Pompey explain what happened later by drawing it in the sand.

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Alan Moore fans may also find the escape from the desert island on raft stuffed with bloating corpses familiar. Is that gimmick used somewhere else that I'm not thinking of?

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 10 October 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I figured the budget was behind the soft-focus five-second battle. But they redeemed it a little with Pompey Magnus breaking down while explaining it to Vorenus.

I suspect what we're going to see next season is Pullo/Vorenus being split apart by loyalties. Vorenus swore fealty to Marc Antony in order to return to the XIII, Pullo has his in with the future Emperor.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought the ep was good! apart from how long my torrent took to come down. the creepiness of caesar's mercy to brutus and cicero was great.

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I am so glad I didn't watch this episode with my girlfriend. I would have a lot of explaining to do after the second of those freakishly enormous weiners came bursting onto the screen in HD.

Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The enormous weiner was in last week's episode.

The torrent took forever, and I had to find another one. Still, despite the battle scene, despite the lameness of the new Octavia story, and despite the ridiculous effect at the end -- let us say, despite being directed by TIMOTHY VAN PATTEN! -- it was a good episode. Dude with the fake nose was great, at least historically/visually. Casting the shows creators as gods within the actual show, kinda hokey, but I suppose it explains a few things.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i love this show - it's so ridiculous, hope and crosby just saved cleopatra - in the nick of time!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 17 October 2005 00:26 (eighteen years ago) link

casuistry otm, "protected by powerful gods" yes haha mister john milius.

i did think something was off about that conversation. the scene where pompey senses that he can play on vorenus' old school pieties to save himself i thought was well orchestrated, but then v's subsequent explanation to caesar didn't ring right; wouldn't he have expressed the same romey honor ("i could not enslave or kill such a man, sah" etc) which caesar would undoubtedly agree (he did kind of say this but eh). considering the historical record shows caesar weeping at the death of pompey and deposing ptolemy b/c of it (have not seen tonights ep yet, it's in the pipe) + his concern to bring cicero & brutus back into the fold... it seemed caes' anger was inserted just to have that gag answer it.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

also glad to see perfunctory closure of niobe/lyde stuff which was zzz

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn, Cleopatra's a freak.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 October 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

so does that mean that's Pullo's kid?

god, i LOVE this show. im so sad i don't get a new one next week.

JD from CDepot, Monday, 17 October 2005 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was thinking the discovery of it being Pullo's kid could be their tie in to why Caesar's son was killed by Octavian during his rise to power.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 17 October 2005 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

that, and what was cleopatra smoking? opium?

JD from CDepot, Monday, 17 October 2005 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Opium, yep.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 17 October 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

They don't really need a tie-in as to the death of Caesarion. He was a rival to the throne, the direct blood of Caesar (vs. Octavian being a nephew). It would actually be a better reason to spare him if news came out that Caesar was his daddy.

Hated the way they handled the siege and victory again - "blah blah blah IT'S BEEN A YEAR blah blah blah CAESAR IS VICTORIOUS." I know there are major budget constraints, but there's gotta be a better way to do that.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 October 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah the time advances are a bit clumsy. but what else, montage? i'll live with it. sort of wish the combats were done a little more care.

otherwise, exxxcellent ep!! wanton cleopatra ok by me, no use re-historicizing that, added junkie indie frisson just icing on the cake.

speaking of shakespeare, i was waiting to see the stoic brutus emerge, since they started him as a toff. reunion with mama very well done. it's a cold world!

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

re: budgetary constraints; skipped battles i'm ok with, but in looking at some of these a couple times i realize the built environments are pretty measly. esp. in egypt, shit was big! having scenes in minor anterooms or whatever, fine, but there was no sense of ancient scary pagan scope. not even perfunctory cgi pyramids! or the lighthouse! don't tell me the boys wouldn't do a little tourism.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link


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