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#BreakingNews Due to the "PG&E Power Shut Off", the lights are **out** in the Robin Williams Tunnel. Its pretty dark, so drive with caution. @kron4news pic.twitter.com/IX3I96VAQ0

— Robin Winston (@RobinWinstonTV) October 9, 2019

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link

"86 die in tunnel pile-up!"

nickn, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link

#BREAKING PG&E worker reportedly shot at in Sierra Foothills https://t.co/7ViSAdFRZ5 pic.twitter.com/S1WnlTWGhM

— KTVU (@KTVU) October 9, 2019

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link

PG&E put up barricades at SF HQ. pic.twitter.com/MLGVVJ0QmI

— Christien Kafton (@CKaftonKTVU) October 9, 2019

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link

dang

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link

Those barricades are there fairly often, i walk by that building every day

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link

High winds ahead where recent major fires were:

WIND FORECAST: Here's an hour-by-hour look at when the gustiest winds develop. Watch out between late tonight-early tomorrow AM! #SanFrancisco #BayArea pic.twitter.com/VdU1BVjWH6

— Sandhya Patel (@SandhyaABC7) October 9, 2019

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link

A family member had their power turned off today at ~10:30am without any telephone/email/mail notice (although it is possible that SCE sent a text to their landline). After a phone call, SCE assured them that the power would be back on by 3pm... It's now nearly 6pm. The winds are 4 (four) mph.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 10 October 2019 00:40 (four years ago) link

how did they choose the locations that would lose power?

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 10 October 2019 00:50 (four years ago) link

just read this:

"As of late Wednesday afternoon, PG&E spokesman Jeff Smith could not confirm whether any Bay area hospitals would lose power during the second phase of planned shut-offs, which are expected to take place Wednesday evening.

โ€œThere may be some hospitals that are in the footprint, but we wonโ€™t know for sure,โ€ Mr. Smith said. โ€œWeโ€™re working extensively with locations like hospitals to ensure that they have an emergency plan.โ€

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 10 October 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link

Friend is just had surgery and was given this note when he woke up

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGeohO9UwAAHCvH?format=jpg&name=small

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:48 (four years ago) link

how did they choose the locations that would lose power?


trees to buildings ratio, more or less

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:50 (four years ago) link

yeah, wildfire risk

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link

With locations like hospitals in them, you canโ€™t go wrong

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:53 (four years ago) link

is PG&E legally obliged to cut power or are they doing it to reduce their legal liability?

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Thursday, 10 October 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link

It's very possible PG&E is being extra-conservative with power shutdowns because a fire during the firm's bankruptcy case would be harder for them to deal with than a fire outside of bankruptcy. This thread explains why (1/

— Jared Ellias (@jared_ellias) October 10, 2019

... (Eazy), Thursday, 10 October 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link

re: that note, Sequoia Hospital is in Redwood City, I know the area and it doesn't seem like it is at particular risk for fire

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 05:22 (four years ago) link

meanwhile I get a text from AT&T saying they know these planned PG&E outages are an inconvenience and that AT&T won't charge overage fees for calls and texts and data use or whatever that exceeds plan rates.

I get a text from my landlord, who doesn't have any idea whether our building is in the outage zone ... it isn't, we're not even close to the line ... but like, you own this building? Wouldn't you uh, make a point of finding out?

This is the most ridiculous statewide event since the Gray Davis recall where people thought it would be awesome to elect Arnold Schwarzenegger governor

sarahell, Thursday, 10 October 2019 05:49 (four years ago) link

re moraga fire: NBC Bay Area news just said firefighters are having to go door to door to evacuate people becauseeeeee-- the power is out in that area, so emergency warning services aren't working!

this is so absolutely fucked

— PatF Zine Preorders are Live!๐Ÿ‘‘๐Ÿ’• deets @ patfzine (@jtbtweetin) October 10, 2019

... (Eazy), Thursday, 10 October 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link

statewide event

pedant alert: it is not a statewide event

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Thursday, 10 October 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

You have $10 to build California

$30 not on fire
$20 functioning electrical grid
$15 high speed rail between major population centers
$3 mad at homeless people
$4 Diane Feinstein worth a hundred million dollars

— greg (@weedguy420boner) October 9, 2019

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Thursday, 10 October 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link

Are you curious how PG&E execs celebrated the 2 year anniversary of the Tubbs Fire (22 deaths, 5,643 structures destroyed,Santa Rosa's economic loss estimated at $1.2 billion (2017 USD), with five percent of the city's housing stock destroyed)...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/PG-E-gas-employees-wined-and-dined-just-before-14512194.php

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 October 2019 11:22 (four years ago) link

showing dudes like the WeWork CEO how it's done ...

sarahell, Friday, 11 October 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link

PG&E does it again!

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Friday, 25 October 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link

Imagine helping set up this civil defense infrastructure with a picture in your head of bomb-heavy Tupolev 95s coming over the pole, and the first time itโ€™s used in earnest at any scale is because we mismanaged the land and are burning 100 million barrels of oil a day. https://t.co/KWzpY6r5Py

— Charlie Loyd (@vruba) October 27, 2019

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Sunday, 27 October 2019 02:39 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Blue-ing of Southern California has kept up since 2018. The state recently released new numbers on party reg by CD. Here are some shifts *since last October*

CA45: R+5.8โ†’R+3.8
CA50: R+13.3โ†’R+11.4
CA49: R+3.8โ†’R+2.0
CA25: D+4.3โ†’D+6.0
CA39: D+0.5โ†’D+2.2
CA48: R+8.6โ†’R+7.0

— Will Jordan (@williamjordann) November 12, 2019

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link

I read through AB5 for a client yesterday -- it's gonna affect so many businesses/people -- though I do wonder about enforcement.

sarahell, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link

does it create an individual cause of action for a worker who believes they've been misclassified as an independent contractor?

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link

i believe the process for that remains the same -- it is definitely rampant, and most enforcement that I'm aware of comes as a result of worker complaints/action. The gist of it is that it previously there was a lot more leeway for classifying a worker as an independent contractor, and under AB5, there is a lot less. Basically it creates a two part test: if the conditions (i.e. relationship between employer and worker) fail the first part of the test (or don't meet a handful of exceptions, a few of which are temporary) then the stricter standards are applied (these are the new ones) ... if the conditions don't fail the first part, then the older standards are applied (or rather, a somewhat stricter version of the older standards).

I think a lot of challenges will depend on the use of "professional services contracts" and what constitutes the regular business activity.

sarahell, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

I read this article this morning with some dismay. I am in opposition to ballot measure governance in principle but this seems like it would have a lot of unintended (or actually intended consequences), and once again seems to focus on being punitive first and foremost.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/Ballot-measure-would-tighten-up-rules-for-dealing-14948663.php

A recent statewide poll by 3M Research found that 90% of the voters surveyed listed homelessness as the No. 1 problem facing the state โ€” 87% of the voters in the Bay Area listed it as the top problem.

โ€œIt was remarkableโ€ to get votersโ€™ views on a variety of issues headed for the November ballot, said Democratic consultant Chris Tapio, whose firm commissioned the poll, taken from Nov. 21 to 27.

โ€œIn all my years of polling, Iโ€™ve never seen 90% of the voters agree on anything, but they all agree that homelessness is the top problem,โ€ he said.

The poll also found 73% of the voters support Gattoโ€™s measure.

Tapio said voter support for the initiative appears to be borne of frustration with state and local governments and law enforcement dealing with the problem.

โ€œThis could be a Proposition 13 moment,โ€ Tapio said, referring to the landmark property tax reform initiative passed by voters in 1978 after years of legislative inaction.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 5 January 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link

The allusion to Prop 13 definitely inspires confidence.

Camina Burana Drummer (Leee), Sunday, 5 January 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link

this sounds like it will end up being super racist in application

sarahell, Monday, 6 January 2020 00:42 (four years ago) link

Also, another initial thought, "let me guess, they won't have enough shelter beds, so the people arrested are gonna get sent to jail"

sarahell, Monday, 6 January 2020 00:46 (four years ago) link

My take as well

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 6 January 2020 01:33 (four years ago) link

people who want to eliminate homelessness vs people who just donโ€™t want to see homeless people and donโ€™t care how theyโ€™re โ€œtaken care ofโ€

brimstead, Monday, 6 January 2020 03:17 (four years ago) link

borne of frustration with state and local governments and law enforcement dealing with the problem.

Let's see. If I become so destitute that I have no place to sleep unless I huddle down in a doorway on a piece of cardboard, nowhere to piss or shit if I can't find a public toilet, and no place to eat unless I go to a soup kitchen, then these unavoidable consequences of my having being penniless would make me a law enforcement problem?!

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 6 January 2020 04:42 (four years ago) link

Also, another initial thought, "let me guess, they won't have enough shelter beds, so the people arrested are gonna get sent to jail"

โ€• sarahell, Sunday, January 5, 2020 7:46 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i haven't seen any other coverage of that ballot measure, but i'm pretty sure you can't run a ballot measure that says "implement a policy that has been ruled illegal by the federal government": https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-16/supreme-court-lets-stand-ruling-that-protects-homeless-who-sleep-on-sidewalk.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 6 January 2020 04:58 (four years ago) link

(which is not to say that whatever the trump administration is cooking up on this as part of their anti-california election year culture war stuff isn't going to be horrendous)

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 6 January 2020 05:02 (four years ago) link

I don't see this initiative going anywhere tbh

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:25 (four years ago) link

It has no major backing, no money behind it, and it's of dubious legality.

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link

this one is a bit more serious IIUC, but i also haven't heard anything about it since the supreme court refused to hear the boise case, which suggests they've been forced to rethink https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-27/california-housing-crisis-podcast-gavin-newsom-solve-homeless-ballot-measure.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 6 January 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link

xp caek -- just because sleeping on the sidewalk isn't illegal, they could easily come up with other "quality of life" violations -- which really makes you think about the definition of "quality of life" -- the quality of whose life? The lives of the homeless people, or the lives of the people that complain about having to engage with homeless people?

sarahell, Monday, 6 January 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link

"engage" is putting it a little strongly - more like "be in physical proximity to"

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Monday, 6 January 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link

they are engaging with their line of sight

sarahell, Monday, 6 January 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link

they are disrupting their view

sarahell, Monday, 6 January 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link

sarahell, of course. i'm just saying that specific ballot measure is not going to happen because:

1. it attempts to compel local govt to do something that is currently illegal according to federal courts (many cities *already* have similar regulations and have been forced to stop enforcing them by the boise ruling).

2. this guy's idea that you just need signatures and votes is, despite the "california ballot measures are crazy" meme, not really all you need, and he has no support.

buy you're absolutely right that more creative harassment of the homeless will always be something they try to do. they're trying to do it right now in LA e.g. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-06/homeless-sleeping-ban-rules-los-angeles.

you don't need a ballot measure for any of that though. this one is just showboating. which is why this is being covered by a columnist in one paper, not the news section of any paper afaict.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 6 January 2020 23:04 (four years ago) link

btw here's a ballot measure that absolutely sucks, probably wouldn't be thrown out by federal courts, and has sacramento establishment support: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-27/california-housing-crisis-podcast-gavin-newsom-solve-homeless-ballot-measure.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 6 January 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Just ran into @GavinNewsom outside the Capitol. I asked him about #SB50: โ€œI refuse to comment as weโ€™re hours away from new clarity.โ€

— Liam Dillon (@dillonliam) January 29, 2020


To be clear โ€œnew clarityโ€ is referring to the state senate vote that will almost certainly be happening this afternoon on #SB50

— Liam Dillon (@dillonliam) January 29, 2020

it might pass?

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link


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