Impeach Trump Y/N

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Grancy herself said Dems had "no choice"

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

"no choice" meaning "the facts compel it", or "no choice" meaning "we must obey the whims of this angry mob who i personally disagree with, because otherwise i might lose re-election"? i'm not asking for your answer - i can guess - but i'd need to see the context.

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link

stevie nicks really glammed up that nirvana song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uukOdFdyqVQ

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link

Still miles from the Springsteen demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T_mSGIFPQ

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link

WB lawyer: “I can confirm that my firm and my team represent multiple whistleblowers in connection to the underlying August 12, 2019, disclosure to the Intelligence Community Inspector General. No further comment at this time.”

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) October 6, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link

I don't get the distinction really, rushomancy

I have never cared what pols like Pelosi 'actually believe' - it's unrelated to their actions

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link

For the last time, Hillary Clinton used a file-deleting software program called BleachBit.

She didn't literally wash the emails in acid.

You're thinking of Steve Bannon. https://t.co/YhIuQc0x5B pic.twitter.com/vTnOtZ9qqG

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) October 6, 2019

feel like in fairness to donny this could probably be reasonably understood metaphorically

k3vin k., Monday, 7 October 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link

Was the call appropriate or was it perfect, Donald? Getcher story straight!

Anyway, he continues to behave exactly as every innocent party does when wrongly-accused, and that's what's important.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 October 2019 00:25 (four years ago) link

Jonah Goldberg on the radio this morning busted out that old chestnut, "sure, he's committed lots of impeachable offenses, but this should be resolved in the upcoming election, not through an impeachment that leaves him in office." First, there's going to be an election in 2020 regardless. Second, what happens if you don't impeach and then he's re-elected? Just totally dumb. But I suppose I wouldn't expect anything else from this resident NPR-safe GOP dummy.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 October 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link

[Trump walks into Oval Office alone. Shuts door. We hear a whoosh from off camera]

TRUMP: I don’t get it Al, why haven’t I leaped!?

AL: Stay at it, Sam. Ziggy says there’s a 95% chance you’re here to get this guy impeached.

TRUMP: WHAT MORE COULD I POSSIBLY DO!?

— Alex Marino (@JAlexMarino) November 21, 2018

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 7 October 2019 12:32 (four years ago) link

Okay, yes, of course he burned down that orphanage. But rather than wasting our time 'arresting' and 'convicting' and 'imprisoning' him, why not just let nature take its course? Isn't dying peacefully in his sleep twenty years from now punishment enough?

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 October 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link

xpost Needs to find love.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 October 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link

Let the market decide

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 October 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link

remember to send NPR all your spare cash or you'll never know what Jonah Goldberg thinks

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link

Or if, for that matter.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

Christ. I thought he'd just go with executive privilege. https://t.co/pEakUUH4pn

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) October 8, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link

the men's rights movements has finally morphed into its final form (?), republican rights

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link

The GOP leader told colleagues during a PowerPoint presentation that they would not be allowed to speak during the trial and that any motions to dismiss the impeachment articles would be reserved for Trump’s defense team and the House Democratic impeachment managers, Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who attended the meeting, told The Wall Street Journal.

McConnell later told reporters that the Senate would have no choice but to hold a trial that would require the chamber to convene six days a week in the afternoon.

“Under the impeachment rules of the Senate, we’ll take the matter up,” he said. “The chief justice will be in the chair. We will have to convene every day, six days out of seven, at 12:30 or 1 o’clock in the afternoon. Senators will not be allowed to speak, which will be good therapy for a number of them. And we intend to do our constitutional responsibility.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/466815-mcconnell-has-complicated-history-on-impeachment

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link

*tim heidecker voice* kangaroo court!!!

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link

McConnell’s past position will make it difficult for him to champion any motion to dismiss a Senate trial of articles against President Trump,

Also, no judges will be appointed during 2020

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:28 (four years ago) link

well the house has to impeach now just to shut the senators up for a few weeks

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link

lol @ at ide atht anything McConell or any of these scumbags have said or done in the past is somehow constraining

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link

Yeah, fuck that guy. I've finally noticed a twitch of pushback in the press, no longer taking these chumps at their word or in good faith, but any statement by him (or Trump) should be met with "fuck you, you're a liar and a cheat and not deserving of respect."

Meanwhile:

New: Per source in the room, Bill Taylor’s opening statement was 15 pages long and prompted “a lot of sighs and gasps.”

— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) October 22, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link

sounds like Taylor's testimony is a big deal if it is being referred to as a sea change

Dan S, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link

where is it referred to as a sea change? (no beck pics pls)

tobo73, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link

Rep. Lieu reportedly said that his opening statements were very damaging to the president. Rep. Lynch was quoted as saying it was a potential sea change in the impeachment inquiry

Dan S, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link

it's a sea org change

Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link

Diarrhetics

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link

lyin' cheatin' thetans

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link

that's alll you seeem to dooowooooo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link

Garrett Haake @GarrettHaake

“Members have described Bill Taylor’s testimony this morning as disturbing and very credible, backed up by “meticulous” contemporaneous notes he took during phone calls and meetings. Those formed the backbone of a lengthy opening statement.”

I guess they're still at it

Dan S, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link

About to post the same thing.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link

“All I have to say is that in my 10 short months in Congress — it’s not even noon, right — and this is my most disturbing day in Congress so far. Very troubling.” —Rep. Andy Levin, as he left Bill Taylor’s deposition this morning. ⁦@jesselnaranjohttps://t.co/fmegayyjl6

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) October 22, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link

So a bunch of Democrats were disturbed?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link

Multiple House Democrats are now, not so subtly, suggesting that Gordon Sondland might have given false testimony. It's worth proceeding with caution for now, mostly because it would just be so so incredibly stupid for Sondland to have actually lied under these circumstances. https://t.co/hsTuKlCrj2

— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) October 22, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link

This is exactly why they are running things like a grand jury in private. Can't coordinate testimony, which makes it much harder to get away with obvious lies.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link

otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link

.@RepMalinowski says Taylor “remembered some things that previous witnesses somehow failed to remember.”

— Ben Siegel (@benyc) October 22, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link

Debbie is terrible but

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said Taylor "drew a straight line" with documents, timelines and individual conversations in his records at the hearing.

"I do not know how you would listen to today's testimony from Ambassador Taylor and come to any other (conclusion) except that the president abused his power and withheld foreign aid," she said.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link

So a bunch of Democrats were disturbed?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:10 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgttPt_1IG0

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link

The senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine said Tuesday he was told release of military aid was contingent on public declarations from Ukraine that it would investigate the Bidens and the 2016 election, contradicting President Trump’s denial that he used the money as leverage for political gain.

Acting ambassador William B. Taylor Jr. testified behind closed doors in the House impeachment probe of Trump that he stands by his characterization that it was “crazy” to make the assistance contingent on investigations he found troubling.

Upon arriving in Kyiv last spring he became alarmed by secondary diplomatic channels involving U.S. officials that he called “weird,” Taylor said, according to a copy of his lengthy opening statement obtained by The Washington Post.

Taylor walked lawmakers through a series of conversations he had with other U.S. diplomats who were trying to obtain what one called the “deliverable” of Ukrainian help investigating Trump’s political rivals.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link

Taylor said he spoke to Ambassador Gordon Sondland, the U.S. envoy to the European Union.

“During that phone call, Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President [Volodymyr] Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election,” Taylor said in the statement.

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter had been a board member of Burisma, a large Ukrainian gas company. Joe Biden is a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate.

“Amb. Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelensky was dependent on a public announcement of investigations — in fact, Amb. Sondland said, ‘everything’ was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance,’” Taylor told House investigators.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link

“He said that President Trump wanted President Zelensky ‘in a public box’ by making a public statement about ordering such investigations.’

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link

GOP noise machine gonna go into overdrive re: how this testimony is not credible, he's a Democrat, conspiracy etc etc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link

Look, Trump is a man of incredible moral scruples that it physically pains him to hear about possible corruption. He will do ANYTHING to stamp it out. It just so happens that the 2 most corrupt people are his 2016 opponent in Prez election and 2020 possible opponent in Prez election. In fact, these 2 have committed p much the only acts of corruption worthy of being investigated by the US.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link

Starting to think this guy might not be on the level

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link

Taylor's full statement is here.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link

Trump could appear on TV naked and the Freedom Caucus would insist that wasn't his hairy ass.

I care more about the voters being swung by this. Which seems is happening.

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link

Bwaaaaaaaaa!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link


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