THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

what do you mean ‘exhibit A?’ the John Waters movie?

nah toback’s distinguished list of credits

and?

idk you asked

like without getting into a big handwringing qu’est-ce que le cinéma discussion the notion that Marvel Studios has somehow appropriated multiplex screens that were otherwise destined to uplift us with quality pictures is risible.

quel dommage the Two Girls and a Guyses of tomorrow will have to find an audience on Amazon Prime Video or Netflix Originals. And they will, bc as the article rightly notes they don’t require absurd budgets, and they don’t need big screens to tell their story.

What does get squeezed out is previous-gen tentpole fare, but I guess I’m okay living in a world without Wilder Hogs or Armageddon 3 or The Day After The Day After Tomorrow.

It may not be cinema - I mean, Scorsese has a point! - but it’s a step up from the alternative, and if you don’t believe that try sitting through Justice League. If you want cinema, there’s always Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse 😂

I don't agree, I miss an abundance of studio comedies and disaster movies and secret agents and book adaptations and more VARIETY... that's really what bothers me about Marvel and Disney's year round occupation of multiplexes, the alarming lack of variety. I go to the movies two, three times a week at least. I'm more invested in what plays than most because I go all the time. it's not like they flushed out all crap: stuff like Flight, Nocturnal Animals, Side Effects, even First Man and Ad Astra can't compete with these behemoths. it is a victory of market efficiency and the movie industry finally finding security in not only IPs but entire universes that can guarantee hits for decades. Maybe the bubble will burst just as did with disaster movies, zombies, and Bucket List ripoffs. I really don't think less of or judge fans of these movies, I reject snobbery and elitism. I do mourn the loss of variety in multiplexes because every movie benefits from seeing on a big screen in a room full of people. but that's just been my experience as a lifelong moviegoer.

totally agree every movie benefits from the movie palace treatment... but man has the transition to streaming shown how few movies deserve it.

still feel like the case against marvel is overblown - like in a sense their greatest crime is that at a time when it seemed like we’d seen the last shitty x-men movie (and to be clear even the “good” ones are turgid and ugly) Kevin Feige and John Favreau and RDJ came along and said “hey wait, I think it’s possible to make cape operas that lots of people will actually enjoy...” but even so there are only like 3 marvel movies a year and 52 weekends.

that said, fuck pretending to care about any Star Wars movie released after 1983

yeah I don't blame them, like I said the Marvel movies are generally well regarded and well received by fans. there are 3 Marvel movies a year that all play for at least 2 months, which is reasonable... but then you've got Disney. they are the real enemy because not only do they have year round remakes, they have yearly Star Wars now. so with Marvel and Disney playing in theaters 24/7 it drastically reduces space, and it got a lot worse in the past 2 years. the MCU started in 2008, but things didn't really change until The Force Awakens in 2015. looking back, that was the beginning of this situation.

Scorsese utterly otm and watching MCU stans trying to own him on film history etc has been great entertainment

Yea always a treat watching a legend go after low-hanging fruit

"Taco Bell isn't real Mexican food"

Scorsese utterly otm and watching MCU stans trying to own him on film history etc has been great entertainment

I thought it was pretty funny how many people were tweeting that Scorsese "only makes movies in one genre"

Well that's obv nonsense.

But the average MCU dork probably just knows Goodfellas and Casino

I mean didn’t Scorsese say that in a response to a question in an interview? It seemed like a perfectly honest (and on point) assessment. Much less of an Old Man Yelling thing in the way someone like Friedkin soapboxes about it.

STOP FEEDING THE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE FROM THE TABLE FROM THE PLATE ON TOP OF IT.

So does Joe Pesci still do the funny voice

a strange development

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/7/20903107/netflix-the-irishman-martin-scorsese-belasco-theater-screening-award-eligibility

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_wall_distribution

Adventures in modern four walling.

Love this idea of the Belasco, if it’s not $100/ticket.

...and per Deadline:

Tickets for The Irishman at the Belasco will be priced at $15, on sale next week.

I'm whipping through the source book, I Heard You Paint Houses, and it's a barnburner -- I can imagine Marty salivating over it on first read. Either Sheeran was a top-notch mick raconteur (as several of my family members of that generation were) or the author did a helluva job polishing the transcriptions.

It starts with the leadup to the Hoffa disappearance then goe into Sheeran's life chronologically. His WW2 experience (411 combat days, including Anzio and 2 other invasions) is dealt with relatively quickly but brutally -- Sheeran kinda persuasively makes the case that PTSD killed off his morality. I also am reminded of how I learned a number of these gang/labor names reading the papers in grade school...

I doubt they had the CG tech to film the scene where Sheeran gets his ass kicked boxing a kangaroo.

I want to see Robert DeNiro boxing a kangaroo

he missed his chance in the late '70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaE8gZUzwNA

(amazing how fast Elliott Gould's career went into the crapper)

marty says more things, sounds more like old man yelling at cloud. awaiting his further befuddlement in the face of demands for a thorough explanation of why he, Scorsese, an American cinema director of Italian descent, would cast an American actor of Italian descent in the title role when Liam Neeson was available.

still really looking forward to this.

Was going to say maybe Neeson was too tall but Sheeran was 6’4”

Sheeeran was Philly Irish, not Irish Irish

lol yeah casting scandals about a buncha white guys, v likely

icymi, DeNiro is part Irish

idk I hold out hope that some day they will find a jewish actor capable of playing Jesus

A hit, a very palpable hit.

De Niro is as Irish as he is Italian iirc

Almost as if we discussed that at the beginning of this thread. Morbs even insulted someone

The Frank Sheeran book, as Morbs said above, is a great read. I'm racing through it but that's not tough going at all. Excited to see how Scorsese approached this material. In my mind's eye I see Sheeran played by Holt McCallany rather DeNiro but, hey, nobody's complainin' here.

*rather than

De Niro is as Irish as he is Italian iirc

Yes, he's American.

uh guys this does not need to be re-litigated.

rogermex sees this film as necessary anti-union education

ffs

just havin' a little fun, rog

Lol from now on movie characters must be played by their real life counterparts

anyway the deNiro-Pesci dynamic should be different this time as Pesci is playing Russell Bufalino, ie Sheeran's "godfather." Also, Bufalino described as softspoken!

otoh Sheeran said Hoffa threw a tantrum twice a day to keep his temper in shape, so in Pacino's wheelhouse.

Pacino and Pesci screamed their lines on set and they dampened them in post

E Howard Hunt shows up in the book, Nixon AG John Mitchell even moreso. And a 2-page cameo by Joe Biden!

The Brandt book has many respectable skeptics re Sheeran's veracity, but for the movie, who cares?

Yes, "who cares?" indeed.

sez the JFK fan!

David Ferrie is in the book briefly but apaprently not the film; too bad, Pesci could've done a dual role.

AFI Silver has just announced a run starting November 15. Landmark E Street has the film on its Coming Soon page, but no start date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j1T5xjwGJQ

THE DAILY BEAST’S OBSESSED

Does Anyone Care If Marvel Movies Are ‘Cinema’?

Kevin Fallon
Senior Entertainment Reporter

I'm gonna say...Kevin Fallon, Senior Entertainment Reporter?

let's keep that M*rvel madness outta this thread

Quite a lot of Touchez pas au grisbi (1954) in The Irishman and that's a very good thing.

— ℑ 𝔇𝔬𝔫'𝔱 𝔅𝔩𝔞𝔪𝔢 𝔜𝔬𝔲 (@NickPinkerton) October 23, 2019