Open for Business: Canadian Politics 2019

There's restricting free speech and then there's trying to stop people from saying "hi". This seems a bit like trolling tbh. Crazy that the PLQ seem to be more supportive of it than the PQ?

Is it that the PLQ has more to prove in terms of credibility on language issues?

wow your guys' politics are unreal

Can't tell whether that's a good or a bad thing at this point.

*cue indignant but toothless response from RoC*

Nationalists: "Ah, more evidence that our values are incompatible. Sovereignty may be our only option."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Tbf, Blanchet made a point of his appreciation of Quebec's anglo minority. Interested to see his response to this.

scheer calling out dual US citizens in 2005 is pretty funny: https://web.archive.org/web/20051208133657/http:/andrewscheermp.blogspot.com/

Sund4r otm

"Andrew Scheer: secretly American" is a pretty good twist.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-quebec-government-moves-to-ban-popular-bilingual-greeting-bonjourhi/

The CAQ's platform boils down to pnwning Montreal, it seems.

― pomenitul, Saturday, October 5, 2019 3:48 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

they should change it to ‘bonjour, bitch’

Welcome to the QC, bitch

Sounds pretty bad ass tbh.

Fuck a Tory but I don't get the issue with Scheer's dual citizenship (aside from lols @ his 2005 comments)? Not only was a PM as recent as John Turner a dual citizen but there was not even such a thing as Canadian citizenship distinct from British subjecthood prior to 1947, acc. to this: https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/citizenship .

Here's andrew coyne's case:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elections/andrew-coyne-you-cant-be-leader-of-one-country-and-pledge-allegiance-to-another/ar-AAIiWet?ocid=st

but I agree with Sund4r

i think Michael Ignatieff lived in canada for like 5% of his adult life or something

I don't think it's an issue in itself, it's just funny that he never mentioned it before now. (Apparently because nobody ever specifically thought to ask?)

“I was never asked about it from Canadians,” he told reporters in Bedford, N.S., on Thursday night. “I’ve actually been very honest about it.”

As a good bud said ‘Can't believe we have a legitimate birther story.’

I don’t get why this dipshit didn’t renounce his US citizenship earlier. For all the grief they gave Ignatiff & Dion, you’d think he’d have the foresight to take care of that ahead of time.
Also want to know if he voted for Trump.

Supposedly he has never voted as American. But, I dunno... maybe just nobody has asked him.

The real american thing to do would be to not even vote.

Tuned into tonight's English debate. TS: Scheer's French vs Bernier's English?

May OTM about Blanchet's climate equalization plan.

this has been a difficult watch.

Preferred the format of the French one.

Nice, Bernier going in on Scheer for not being conservative enough.

I was listening to Angel Haze's "Echelon (It's My Way)" on the way to work this morning--there's a lyric in there that pretty much anticipates the whole Trudeau scandal. You'll have to look it up yourself.

I apparently hate myself enough to tune into the second French debate.

i think it would be more enjoyable for me, as i speak no french whatsoever.

no, i take it back. it will be annoying as fuck no matter what.

Have you considered leading the Conservative Party? xp

From what I gather, Bernier's solution to reconciliation with the First Nations is to privatize reserve land and build more pipelines.

(Admittedly, I don't have a solution.)

I gave up. Comments on Radio-Canada's FB seem depressingly pro-Bloc.

FB comments will always let you down.
tho i am kinda surprised how much the Bloc seems to be eating into the libs right now.

I apparently hate myself enough to tune into the second French debate.

― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, October 11, 2019 12:51 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think it would be more enjoyable for me, as i speak no french whatsoever.

― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, October 11, 2019 12:57 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

no, i take it back. it will be annoying as fuck no matter what.

― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, October 11, 2019 12:57 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Have you considered leading the Conservative Party? xp

― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r)

lol

so it's basically a tie now for seat projections according to polls and if the bloc keeps making gains it might be enough to give the conservatives a win (albeit a minority government)

this is depressing

Poll Tracker updated with significant movement in the numbers as the Bloc's gains in Quebec rob the Liberals of their seat advantage over the Conservatives. Liberals, Conservatives now virtually tied in both seats and votes, minority odds now 3:1. #cdnpoli https://t.co/5I1Dt3n1qW pic.twitter.com/322EHSSzzg

— Éric Grenier (@EricGrenierCBC) October 11, 2019

Tory plurality could be OK, even good, if Grits were willing to form a coalition with the NDP. There seems to typically be resistance to that idea, though, even though it is 100% legitimate and democratic in a Westminster Parliamentary system.

My riding used to be Gilles Duceppe's so it's fertile ground for a Bloc resurgence. Not voting Liberal is no longer a no-brainer, which is indeed depressing.

wow grenier's exact seat projection right now is the no majority coalition for anyone apocalypse scenario

LIbs 139, Cons 136, Bloc 33, NDP 25, Greens 4, Bernier 1

Oh wow, even Lib+NDP+Green would just add up to a plurality there, although that might be enough to govern. Con+BQ+PPC would add up to a slim majority, which might be worth it just to see them try to work together, if only for five minutes until they agreed on cutting funding for multiculturalism, restricting immigration, and devolving the rest to the provinces.

if the BQ abstains from joining anyone I guess a Lib coalition could govern

BQ with the balance of power would be interesting, I guess. I doubt any kind of minority government in this scenario lasts very long.

At this point, since I'm not overwhelmingly convinced for or against any of Lib/NDP/Green, I'll probably be back to voting 'strategically' for the NDP, in the hopes that they'll have more representation to push a minority government or coalition to the left.

Is 338canada.com reliable? It's the only place that lists odds by riding that I can find.

The 338Canada project is a statistical model of electoral projections based on opinion polls, electoral history of Canadian provinces and demographic data. This web site is the creation of P.J. Fournier, astronomy and physics professor at Cégep de Saint-Laurent in Montréal.

So probably not especially? I don't think there is much actual riding-level polling information.

There's a list of riding specific polls here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_Canadian_federal_election,_by_constituency

Only about 50.

Wtf at the cratering of NDP support here?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_Canadian_federal_election,_by_constituency#Ottawa_Centre

If Tories are polling second, maybe I should vote Liberal.

All I care about at this point is blocking the Bloc, so I empathize.