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jesus why does EVERYTHING have to be so goddamn antagonistic with these people. "Sorry haters" give me a fucking break.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link

still breathing sorry not sorry

yeah
but

woohoo!

maffew12, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link

xp yeah why are bernie bros so antagonisti?, (I'm over here fucking myself.)

dsb, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link

jesus why does EVERYTHING have to be so goddamn antagonistic with these people. "Sorry haters" give me a fucking break.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, October 2, 2019 10:20 AM (one minute ago)

lol

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link

dsb stop showing your ass

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link

i wasn’t gonna say anything but evol j otm

Non stop chantar (crüt), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link

who is dsb?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link

I would just like to announce to all the haters and losers that Bernie has had the biggest surgery, the best surgery and doctors say his heart could be pumping at full capacity until he's 120, even 130 years of age.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link

perhaps better posted to the secret conservative opinion thread but frankly bernie's age is my biggest knock against him. as far as public service goes, I would cop to being explicitly ageist and - for a myriad of reasons - support imposed retirement (with pension) at every level of government service at 75. tbh Warren's not much better in this regard.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link

bernie's age is my biggest knock against him

def in my top 5

Simon H., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link

Hope Bernie recovers. He’s an important voice— whether you prefer Warren or him, I think it’s undeniable that Bernie did a lot to make policies like medicare for all, free college, debt cancellation etc seem possible.

treeship., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link

xp - Same but the aging curve between early 70s and late 70s is very different at least. I'd prefer that we just implant Bernie's brain into Mayor Pete's supple, lithe body.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link

PROTECT BERNIE SANDERS AT ALL COSTS

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link

I think its dumb as hell for bernie supporters and warren supporters to be at each others’ throats. Either one at the top of a dem ticket would be an incredible achievement

treeship., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link

Would be great if Keyes and DSB could post their Breitbart stuff elsewhere.

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:18 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fuck you. Other posters were talking about the book here so I looked it up. SInce it's edited by Warren's cousin that seems to give cred to her claim that there's a family story about ancestry.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link

I don't think they are in any meaningful numbers. The key part of 'left twitter' is 'twitter' IMO.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link

xp Sorry, Keyes, I have no antagonism towards you, but the only material I could find even calling her Warren's cousin originates in the nut-o-sphere, Breitbart specifically. The whole thing reads like a ratfuck.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link

Her claim doesn't need cred, I don't think anyone doubts that. It would be cool if she used it as a teaching moment about the way white people (particularly of certain regions) received family lore about Native American ancestry and how that relates to the history of colonization and subjugation. "It's real fucked up that I was raised to think this was part of our heritage and how that obscured the way we were living on stolen land."

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link

Ethan Weiss, a cardiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, said the stent procedure Bernie Sanders underwent typically is “not anything I would get too excited about,” calling it "mostly a nuisance." https://t.co/ChKYomVrlp

— Holly Otterbein (@hollyotterbein) October 2, 2019

exactly the kind of heart procedure i expect bernie to have lol

j., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link

I think its dumb as hell for bernie supporters and warren supporters to be at each others’ throats. Either one at the top of a dem ticket would be an incredible achievement

― treeship., Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:31 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTM, though at least on Twitter it does feel lately like 90% of the vitriol is coming from the former group.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link

Stenting probably won't change Bernie's prospects, but it will give him some relief from angina. Someday I might get Dr. McDougall's "Do Not Cath, I Will Sue" tattoo.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link

To be clear, I was citing where I was seeing chatter about the cookbook online since I'd never heard of it before.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link

why settle

stoffle (||||||||), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link

I think its dumb as hell for bernie supporters and warren supporters to be at each others’ throats. Either one at the top of a dem ticket would be an incredible achievement

― treeship., Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:31 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTM, though at least on Twitter it does feel lately like 90% of the vitriol is coming from the former group.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, October 2, 2019

The fans fight because the two campaigns have much in common.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link

at least on Twitter it does feel lately like 90% of the vitriol is coming from the former group.

maybe bcz that's the group that loses when the MSM says "they're the same ideologically"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link

Having won acclaim, tenure, and two Senate campaigns on domestic matters means that Warren's foreign policy, insofar as she's got one, looks like received ideas/Dem boilerplate. That's where I lean toward Bernie, and it'll catch up to her. She's demonstrated she's a fast learner, though, faster than I thought.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link

if Bernie wins, his VP choice suddenly becomes...important.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link

bahgawd, is that...is that Stacey Abrams' music?

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link

2020 will be a slobberknocker

maffew12, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link

All the best to Bernie and hope he's back on the campaign soon. At this point the left seems to be winning, him and Warren combined makes the left seem really strong AND still able to have discussions about details. Angry people tweeting don't ruin that. Although they really are stupid and annoying.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link

the nathan robinson piece about warren was pretty terrible, and he’s gone full-pocahantas on twitter. bad look

flopson, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link

fwiw Warren herself is on the young side of old, but the health scares are different for women. Shit like this is why my ideal candidate would've been Sanders as a woman of 58 named Bernadette Sanders.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link

go on

maffew12, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link

don't tell SNL, Baldwin will do it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link

already DMed him on Twitter

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link

the nathan robinson piece about warren was pretty terrible, and he’s gone full-pocahantas on twitter. bad look

― flopson, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 11:28 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

nathan robinson used to suck ass at writing, now he just sucks ass

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link

xp to al
http://i.gifer.com/6H4T.gif

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link

The nathan robinson piece showed he is practiced in the art of concern trolling.

treeship., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link

even when i've agreed with him (cf. his jordan peterson piece) his writing is just... unendurable

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link

Like, i get people prefer sanders, i do too but it’s close, but the idea of her nomination is not “very worrying.” She would be far better than an establishment democrat. Also, the current occupant of the white house wants to use alligators and snakes against desperate migrants and also shoot them in the legs.

treeship., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link

As bad as Robinson’s writing is, his voice and mannerisms are worse. He’s a fedora away from m’lady.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link

he wears a fedora. that's not the problem with him though.

treeship., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link

NJR gives me maddox.xmission vibes. also slatestarcodex/scott alexander vibes if any of u read him

flopson, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:57 (four years ago) link

Something to be said for SSC imo.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link

there are meaningful differences between Sanders and Warren that need to be hashed out now, while we're having a primary. Warren has already backpedaled on M4A, and she gave a BS answer re: foreign policy. I don't trust her not to bomb Iran. But she's the only other Democrat I would even consider voting for (I don't live in a swing state).

President Bernie Sanders is an unparalleled possibility and one worth fighting for while there is still time.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link

I don't trust her not to bomb Iran.

lol ok

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link

I dont think thats an lol

treeship., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link

🐦[Nat’l candidates w/ heart issues: Eisenhower won re-election after a serious heart attack. Cheney suffered his 4th heart attack just before becoming VP and serving for 8 years. Bush 41 was diagnosed w/ irregular heartbeat in office. Bill Bradley was sidelined in ’99 for same.
— Steve Kornacki (@SteveKornacki) October 2, 2019🕸]🐦
Yeah yikes, its really not a good luck for Warren. call me whatever you want though. but maybe don't come into the room saying drop out and support my candidate immediately after the news drops that Bernie is having health problems.
Her claim doesn't need cred, I don't think anyone doubts that. It would be cool if she used it as a teaching moment about the way white people (particularly of certain regions) received family lore about Native American ancestry and how that relates to the history of colonization and subjugation. "It's real fucked up that I was raised to think this was part of our heritage and how that obscured the way we were living on stolen land."


So to her her credit she did offer an apology recently at a Native American issues forum:

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/20/headlines/elizabeth_warren_apologizes_to_indigenous_groups_at_iowa_native_american_forum

I think that your explanation of the context in which she was making these claims though is 1000 times better and more clear than the apology she offered. Like I get that her story of native ancestry is the result of some bullshit that white families tell themselves, a lionization of the “noble savage” on the site of a genocide, does that make ok? She spent thirty years making these claims as a middle aged republican Harvard professor and politician , and when she was called in them she doubled down with a dna test and bullishit like this

dsb, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link

She hasn’t taken the risky stands against military aggression Sanders has. An important reason to back him—i agree.

I just don’t like the “total war” tenor of these debates on social media, with the two campa of supporters accusing each other of the worst things possible.

treeship., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link


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