soulseek

amazing!

It was timing really. both of us were unemployed and had a lot of time on our hands to message weirdos halfway across the world who liked Slumberland records

:DDDD

that's amazing and also I now feel like a dummy for having shunned that aspect of the app for almost two decades lol

Tbh the chat side of it died about 15 years ago. Facebook probably

"If B camp enabled d/ls that would be huge" I think you can? well if you buy something you certainly can.

I browsed rushomancy's files today iirc

― Colonel Poo

Sorry the organization is a complete fucking mess

I find I can stump slsk pretty easily myself - there's a lot of stuff that's not on there but is on bandcamp or youtube, not to mention Spotify, which at this point I refuse to use mostly out of sheer cussedness as opposed to any actual principle. Honestly I'd love to get away from using Youtube altogether as well as I consider that site to be very bad. I just have this learned distrust of the "streaming" ecosystem (I don't use either Bandcamp or Youtube primarily as "streaming" sites).

A lot of music these days, I suspect, doesn't have multiple discrete extant copies of it. Which makes it easier for all extant copies of those recordings to be lost. I'm less bothered about this than I used to be, as eventually everything we know will be lost. Humanity will somehow survive despite not being able to hear Crazy Fucking Landlady's Son for themselves. Downloading random shit from the Internet does not make a professional archivist.

I have a fairly long soulseek wishlist myself. Most of it is stuff I probably could or should just buy copies of. It's probably not moral or ethical for me to do this stuff, which is why I tend not to talk about it much.

Ilxor group share !

Yeah there is an ethical consideration especially with stuff you can stream.

I guess I don't like streaming sites because those songs might disappear at any moment and the aforementioned train/no data connection problems

But I have spent and continue to spend a lot of money on music so fuck it imo

records i was recently annoyed weren’t on streaming

jordan fields - moments in dub
default genders - main pop girl*

i have the mp3s on my phone but it’s still annoying i can’t put stuff in playlists etc

*as i understand this is intentional by the artist for political(?) reasons

I'm past the point where I feel like there's any moral or ethical justification for piracy. I should probably stop, particularly with a username with which I can be uniquely identified being mentioned on a public forum (is this thread at least search-deindexed? If not, can it be?)

that's a good idea, actually (from someone not called What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers or jed_ on slsk)

that wasn't a humblebrag.

but now v interested in who mirostones is!

― What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Saturday, 28 September 2019 23:59 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It kind of was but a completely acceptable one imo (and ditto tbh)

― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 29 September 2019 00:03 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol!
I can see how it comes across that way, but I also think it's relevant to the thread, as I am sure I am not the only musician to have done this.

I remember Kelly Moran commenting on a similar experience, saying she felt conflicted as she never thought people would care about her music enough to steal it. I wouldn't put it in those terms myself, but I see what she's getting at.

I know some musicians get furious at this discovery, but I personally think that's a waste of time and energy in 2019. Never going to be 1997 again, better to move on at this stage.
As for my own identity, all I will say is I don't think I've ever been discussed on here, so that really is pretty obscure.

apparently not de-indexed, but also for some reason doesn't show up on the first dozen pages of google results. (seriously we have had a lot of soulseek threads here, i didn't even know.) i will stop worrying so much until or unless i receive some indication that anyone, anywhere, gives a fuck about my continuing habit of downloading records nobody cares about off soulseek in addition to my downloading records nobody cares about off youtube.

I have an embarrassingly large Discogs list of “stuff not on Spotify”... like a couple thousand entries, not insanely limited stuff or anything

There’s a lot of music out there! A lot of old music

the dream of the celestial jukebox isn't ever going to be more than approximated in a world with the proliferation of rights-holders we have. there are plenty of well-intentioned pirates who have done a lot in the cause of "freeing the music for the people" or what have you but at the end of the day piracy is an amateur activity, in most jurisdictions an illegal activity, and such can't possibly be as thorough about distributing music as professionals like the people at spotify can. not to mention that pirating music not on commercial streaming, at this point, really only benefits commercial streaming - "hey if you don't sign with us those nasty pirates will distribute your music and then you won't get _anything_!"

you know, it doesn't matter. we don't need to be able to hear all the music, or even all the _best_ music. whatever we have now, it's probably enough.

tl;dr

since quitting physical music and selling all my records my ethically compromised mix is: stream everything i listen to, but go to shows and try to spend 20-50$ per month on bandcamp

there used to be an ilx room

I pay for Spotify to alleviate my guilt over how little music I buy. I go to gigs as often as I can and I use Bandcamp whenever possible to buy. Soulseek still returns nothing when I'm searching for deep cuts of UK Garage and street soul unless you want hissy 128kbps files but thats still better than Spotify a lot of the time.

I dont want to turn this into the "what isn't on Spotify thread" but:

The Chimes "Stronger Together (David Morales Mix)"
Lil Louis "Luv U Wanted"
Movement 98 "Joy & Heartbreak"
Jah Wobble, The Edge, Holger Czukay "Hold On To Your Dreams"
Moodswings "Spiritual High"

I was gonna turn this run of autoplayed Youtube faves into a Spotify playlist, but I can't. And I don't want to use my phone data to stream videos on the train. So off to Soulseek it is.

great micro-story Col. Poo!

I hardly ever use soulseek because it's such a mess. The biggest private torrent music site has pretty much everything I need and it's all properly searchable and curated with different bitrates and stuff. Much prefer that.

can i get an invite

soulseek is great. the only stuff I can't find on there is afrobeats stuff

Jesus.. Seeing so many new answers to the thread have me a right scare! Fortunately it's just an ilx love-in praising the many glories. And CP that story is amazing!

What’s “the biggest private music torrent” site these days ?

I downloaded my wife from soulseek so I'm probably more attached to it than most people

― Colonel Poo

Awwww <3

Anyway, I love slsk, was so happy to find it was still going after I had a break from it of about a decade. My files are horribly disorganised but the main folder it connects to contains a bunch of my own music, so I'm fucking pirating myself, m8s, that's how much I give a shit -> at the end of the day piracy is an amateur activity - this is why I'm for it but anti-Spotify, piracy is about people who can't really afford to buy shit sharing stuff and finding joy, streaming companies are about building a business model that shafts artists in favour of business. It's a whole different world.

red

xxxp

i don't even know what the big site is post-what. had a what account, never used it. fucking scenester gatekeeper bullshit of the sort i would have been happy to leave on the bbses, ratios and artificial scarcity with a healthy dose of "pay-to-win" in the form of seedboxes, the opposite of the "music for the people" ethos, problematic as it is, of napster and its clones.

It's a mess? Seems pretty clean / straightforward / easily navigable... it's effortless. simply enter 2-3 keywords into the search field, and you're instantly met with results. Typically, you're able to to choose between flac and varying levels of high-bitrate (or vbr) mp3s. Everything seems to be pretty well organized? Haven't ever really got on with torrents, however

fuck Spotify, by the way. i don't really get any focused listening done at a desktop computer, or when i have my phone around. still use SC and Bandcamp, though. with Bandcamp, you can actually pay artists for their music.

Yeah there is an ethical consideration especially with stuff you can stream.

delicious irony here

but anti-Spotify, piracy is about people who can't really afford to buy shit sharing stuff and finding joy, streaming companies are about building a business model that shafts artists in favour of business. It's a whole different world.

otm

I still use it occasionally for individual songs--rarely for whole albums anymore.

How has it managed to keep going when so many others were shut down?

By means of the Russian torrent tracker and interlibrary loan, I have managed to find the vast majority of popular music I am looking for, and even a lot of the obscure avant-garde classical I listen to. For the rest, I don’t mind buying the occasional CD and ripping it myself.

I am used to being told that I listen to weird music. But when people talk about Soulseek as vital source of music they couldn’t find anywhere else (even commercially), I worry that my tastes are pretty ordinary!

I think you guys are engaging in some ethical gymnastics to argue that artists getting nothing is better than artists getting something. (download all u want, follow yr bliss... but c’mon)

I think you guys are engaging in some ethical gymnastics to argue that artists getting nothing is better than artists getting something. (download all u want, follow yr bliss... but c’mon)

― #YABASIC (morrisp)

I don't know which "guys" you're referring to here. I certainly wouldn't argue that. On the other hand, the argument that artists getting .01 cents for their work is better than artists getting nothing for their work is true only in the most technical and nit-picky of senses.

My refusal to use Spotify is probably morally perverse. I don't think the people running Spotify are bad people. I think they want the artists to get paid. I think that Spotify in practice is more an exercise in self-serving convenience masquerading as virtue, however, and my refusal to use Spotify at this point is not really a lack of willingness or ability to pay - as money is only one way of quantifying the effort expended in pursuit of a good. It's more a conscious ascetic measure; opting out of a partnership of convenience, choosing not to collude in injustice masquerading as virtue and to sticking to actions that we as a society can, in principle, collectively agree are selfish and unjust.

Ultimately it's a futile and incomprehensible form of protest, me being my own little version of the Umbrella Man in Dealey Plaza. I will probably keep doing it, though.

I wasn’t referring to you, rush

fwiw i don't get new releases off slsk. it's stuff that's impossible to find or only for a lot of money on discogs. i do like to buy records when i really like them and can afford it and i do.

after decades of searching out and discovering music in record stores, searching online (mail order sites like Forced Exposure and Mimaroglu) music forums, et al.. reading about music in WIRE magazine, and making purchases based on reviews, write-ups, etc. i feel almost no inclination to use Spotify. i don't have any strong (ethical) feelings about it. like others, i started using sites like Audiogalaxy and slsk during the early 00s, and probably abused the privilege more back then, while continuing to purchase music. since acquiring a smartphone, and using both Bandcamp and Soundcloud (great for streaming curated, 'amateur' content) to share music, i'm more inclined to make impulse purchases on Bandcamp, or order physical copies directly from the artist/label. slsk is still a great resource for listening to new/impulse discoveries, and to sample new releases (rarely) ... beyond that, CDs (or tapes, if they're of decent quality) are the preferred medium for listening

https://www.reddit.com/r/Soulseek/comments/ds68t6/serious_souls_travelling/

wtf

*metempsychotic nod*

who the fuck is deejay.zone and can they please fuck right the fuck off with their fucking padlock and 50 versions of every other track I want

Sorry, I'll unlock them right now.

There should be a way that you can share whatever files you want but not share them to users whose files are locked.

I don't want to understand the psychology of people that will put stuff in the shared folder zone, but not actually fucking share it.

Fucking hoarder hagglers and braggarts. Truly the worst soulseekers.

exclusive footage of scramoutcha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZyiQFQO0Q