Replacements Albums, Best of the Worst: Don't Tell a Soul vs. All Shook Down

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finally i can call this my favorite replacements record and no one will look at me like i have two heads

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link

the remixed "we'll inherit the earth" sounds fucking amazing

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link

I read Trouble Boys a few weeks ago, revisited the catalog (altho I haven't heard this reissue). It's hard for me to evaluate this band, they meant so much to me as a kid, were one of the very first shows I saw, I bought into the whole mythology etc.

But with age and hindsight and being fully cognizant of how being a drunken asshole is not actually that cool - it makes me reflect a bit more harshly on Paul as a songwriter. Like, if you *don't* buy into that "lovable loser" mythos, are the songs still good? Generally the answer is "sometimes" imo. "Talent Show", "Can't Hardly Wait", "Kiss Me On the Bus", a handful of others. Some of it is just too voyeuristic and wrist-slashingly depressing for me to listen to anymore ("Here Comes a Regular" for ex.)

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 September 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link

you haven't cited the pre-1984 stuff, which most people omit like they do the Beatles before Rubber Soul.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link

yeah well, I don't like much of it

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 September 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link

I'm aware of the vocal ILX contingent that thinks Sorry Ma is the peak

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 September 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link

well, if you think the beautiful-loser ethos is a problem, the speed and smarts of the early material will mitigate it

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link

I was just thinking today what an awesome songwriter he is.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 September 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link

American film, lit, and cinema are replete with beautiful losers whose creators regard them with a cold eye without the eye itself getting moist. The Replacements' good stuff avoids the problem.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link

the speed and smarts of the early material will mitigate it

that's true to an extent, otoh I'd be hard-pressed to consider "Fuck School" a great song. I mean, it's fun and funny and all but it isn't great, really.

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 September 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link

p sure "anywhere's better than here" is my favorite replacements song and the new version confirms that several times over

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link

the vocal ILX contingent that thinks Sorry Ma is the peak

Hi dere!

A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link

"Achin' to Be" is still a moronic song about a dude who can't write about a woman whose virtues have nothing to do with malehood.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link

pfft i'm achin' to be too

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link

fair critique as well bc i do hate the final verse

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link

you are NOT kinda like an artist

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link

it's that scene in high fidelity where john cusack dreams of dating a musician so he can be an in-joke in the liner notes, but a song

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link

a dream too tire to come true

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link

Some of y'all think too much attention is paid to lyrics ... until you don't. I think his melodies, riffs and hooks are super-sharp; Westerberg is an underrated (lead) guitar player.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 September 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link

Fuck School IS a great song!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 September 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link

Yes it is. What’s the matter, buddy?

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2019 00:28 (four years ago) link

New production makes even “Achin’ To Be” easier to sit through.

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2019 00:31 (four years ago) link

Especially when it is not followed by “They’re blind.”

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2019 00:32 (four years ago) link

"Achin' to Be" is still a moronic song about a dude who can't write about a woman whose virtues have nothing to do with malehood.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 27, 2019 4:16 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

sigh

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 28 September 2019 01:07 (four years ago) link

Debate me.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 September 2019 01:21 (four years ago) link

I like "They're Blind" and "Asking Me Lies."

Oh, here's a downgrade on the new version, imo: I think "I'll Be You" is slower.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 28 September 2019 01:23 (four years ago) link

one quandary: Portland should have been on the album and would have been one of the best songs, but then Westerberg would have had to drop one of the best songs Talent Show because he recycled the chorus of Portland

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)


If they’d been brave, they coulda said “fuck it, we’re putting both of them on the album, fuck you, call it a concept album or some shit”, it’s not like either song was gonna be “With or Without You.” I love it all. Gloss and gloop, raw and ragged, it’s all good shit and I’m happy to have it all in the mix. Cheers, fellas; what could have been never was, but what you were was pretty ok. Here we go.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 28 September 2019 05:31 (four years ago) link

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Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 28 September 2019 05:32 (four years ago) link

Tee Tot

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link

Making my way slowly through this. These Bearsville sessions not so hot. Wondering if “I Can Help” feat. Tom Waits is gonna be the Billy Swan song.

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link

This is so great, I'm really enjoying it. Westerberg really is a once in a lifetime songwriter and I wish he would release good-to-great new albums every year, but a) he hasn't been committed to it for a long time, and b) back when he did he was really spotty. I thought the I don't cares album was really, really great and hoped it would be a kind of new beginning but he (obviously) blew it again. When I think about him in those terms, it makes me sad.

I love "Asking Me Lies" and this new mix really kills it.

cpl593H, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link

“asking me lies” feels like it could’ve been covered really well by both prince and the afghan whigs

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:56 (four years ago) link

This was a really enjoyable listen. I saw them on the DTAS tour and the songs sounded a lot better live than on the record.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:04 (four years ago) link

I thought the I don't cares album was really, really great and hoped it would be a kind of new beginning but he (obviously) blew it again.

I agree with you about the IDCs album being great but how exactly did he 'blow it?' I think I'd blame general indifference and / or poor marketing long before I'd blame the artists in this case

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link

Did they even tour the album?

cpl593H, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

“asking me lies” feels like it could’ve been covered really well by both prince and the afghan whigs

Totally thought they sounded like the latter on the live version.

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link

xp I think the tour for this album was the opening slot w/ Tom Petty

henry s, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link

I think he meant the I Don't Cares album

For DTAS they did a stinnt opening for Petty and then a headlining tour. Royal Crescent Mob opened when I saw them.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link

I remember googling it back, and then googling it now. I couldn't find a trace of it, a single setlist for any show.

cpl593H, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link

The headlining tour -- mostly small theaters -- was about a month before the Petty tour. They played the Aragon in Chicago; I had a ticket, but couldn't go at the last minute. I gave my ticket to a friend who bought me this shirt, which I think I still have somewhere.
http://www.defunkd.com/public/upload/images/product_images/big/matmin_95151360955478.jpeg

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link

Oh yeah I see. I was indeed talking about the I Don't Cares album this whole time.

That is a great t-shirt though.

cpl593H, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link

"Achin' to Be" is still a moronic song about a dude who can't write about a woman whose virtues have nothing to do with malehood.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 27, 2019 4:16 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The musical structure of the chorus outweighs any lyrical weaknesses

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link

"Achin' to Be" is still a moronic song about a dude who can't write about a woman whose virtues have nothing to do with malehood.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 27, 2019 3:16 PM (five days ago)

this song really truly spoke to me as a young woman (age 14) trying to figure out wtf was going on -- what strikes me as funny now is that i did want to be him. i did not want to be his woman-object, i wanted to be HIM (only still be myself). i still think it's poignant & good. maybe not the 'mats everyone wanted but they were the 'mats i needed at the time.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link

i was still a kid really, not a young woman. a girl.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link

Hey wait, what about if he was not really singing about someone else but was actually mostly singing about himself? Wouldn’t looking at it that way that bring the song into better focus and improve it?

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link

Which is already built into the song, innit, DO U SEE?

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link

I know that this slant has just improved the song for me.

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link

this song really truly spoke to me as a young woman (age 14) trying to figure out wtf was going on -- what strikes me as funny now is that i did want to be him. i did not want to be his woman-object, i wanted to be HIM (only still be myself). i still think it's poignant & good. maybe not the 'mats everyone wanted but they were the 'mats i needed at the time.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, October 2, 2019

this is awesome

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link

what about if he was not really singing about someone else but was actually mostly singing about himself?

doesn't Westerberg say this outright in Trouble Boys?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link


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