The September 2019 US Politics Thread is great Great GREAT GR8

I know y'all want him out in handcuffs, but it ain't happening. What I want: (a): Trump impeached because morally it's correct and scares the shit out of the satraps and sycophants of future presidents (b) Trump's stature reduced enough to depress turnout even slightly.

And apparently none of y'all have figured out that a president impeached by the House but exonerated by the Senate will energize turnout for Democrats.

Seriously. We wouldn't be here if it were not for 2018, that's what you run on.

The average person who isn't a straight white dude who comments on political threads all day and who doesn't watch MSNBC will be fucking pissed off that McConnell and the Senate refused to impeach. It's 2018 again.

And apparently none of y'all have figured out that a president impeached by the House but exonerated by the Senate will energize turnout for Democrats.

Some of us have.

Sex won't age me. Alcohol won't age me. Finishing A Little Life won't age me. Explaining things will.

And apparently none of y'all have figured out that a president impeached by the House but exonerated by the Senate will energize turnout for Democrats.

*raises hand*

um, Iiiiiii figured that out

Come sit by me.

Wait wait wait, McConnell isn't gonna do what now?!?!?

(rends Izod polo)

This is one of the only weeks of the Trump presidency where the news cycle isn't playing out on his terms... sounds like a good idea to wrap that up quickly and in secret https://t.co/sP8YHx7Fsz

— David Dayen (@ddayen) September 27, 2019

Isn't the notion of a 'failed' impeachment depressing dem turnout just a right-wing talking point which some left-wingers are unfortunately and uncritically adopting?

No one can predict how voters will react. The safe bet is to do the right thing.

I mean if nothing else, lookit: the Mueller probe resulting in nothing substantive did nothing but make the Blob feel vindicated enough to openly commit high crimes because he felt like he was untouchable. And now we're here. Can you imagine the stupid shit he'll pull when the senate refuses to give him the boot?

They should drag this out as long as possible, dredging up everything they possibly can. He will react by shrieking into twitter all day long, which apparently doesn’t hurt him with his voters, but it certainly doesn’t help.

My point being: even when impeachment goes nowhere, Trump will inevitably freebase undiluted hubris for the remainder of the time leading up to the election, constantly reminding everyone of what a tremendous turd he is, and the GOP will be inexorably linked to every one of his bullshit actions for having given him a pass to continue unhindered.

Maybe idk

This all could backfire. The democrats best play is trying to hold him accountable for as many of his crimes as possible. And then they can say, “we did everything we can but the republicans are protecting a corrupt administration”

a president impeached by the House but exonerated by the Senate will energize turnout for Democrats.

I agree w this for what it's worth. will also energize GOP turnout, is the problem.

Will it, though? If they view their Don as truly Teflonned, individual republicans may decide that their vote won't be necessary to secure his inevitable massive victory.

there are fewer of them

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I mean this crystal ball shit is all a fool's game, really, but it's fun to game out the results as if the world still made a lick of sense.

have we posted this pareene take? https://newrepublic.com/article/155182/impeachment-trump-america-deserves-answers. it's the right way of thinking about the goals/tactics IMO.

also i'd be surprised if over 50 senators vote to impeach unless public approval is like 80%.

there are fewer of them

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― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 27, 2019 12:36 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol i was gonna say exactly this!

hi5 toots

I agree w this for what it's worth. will also energize GOP turnout, is the problem.

Nah. They're at maximum white-hot shriek already, all day long. They've hit their ceiling, and it's something like 44%.

they all came out in 2018 and we beat them

boom

Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney

"And the committee has set a schedule of 5 depositions:

October 2: Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch
October 3: Ambassador Kurt Volker
October 7: Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent
October 8: Counselor T. Ulrich Brechbuhl
October 10: Ambassador Gordon Sondland"

and Pompeo subpoenaed

And when he says no?

Oh, ok:

Wow: House Intel Committee is preparing for impeachment hearings as soon as next week. Cmte to move as “expeditiously as possible”, @RepAdamSchiff tells CNN.

If WH stonewalls, “It will strengthen the case on obstruction,” he added

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) September 27, 2019

unperson otm re an "energized" GOP turnout --- no republican who was going to abstain or, worse, vote dem in this election is suddenly going to change their mind if we go ahead with impeachment. it'll just rile up ppl that were voting trump 100% anyway

Yeah, and fuck them for being turds.

if this whole thing relies on them subpoeneing and requesting documents and testimony it won't work, Trump will just stonewall and refuse to deliver anything/claim executive privelege. As I said way upthread, the only way this works is if the Dems cultivate a rat/source within the White House that leaks/volunteers info. Otherwise this will get tied up in court and the SC conceivably sides with Trump after months and months of delay.

out on a limb here, but my suspicion is this wouldn’t be moving forward if something of that nature wasn’t already in place

i just did a really loud joker laugh that my former colleagues @mmfa are very familiar with as i read this headline https://t.co/szcWAKQhH7

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 27, 2019

Sex won't age me. Alcohol won't age me. Finishing A Little Life won't age me. Explaining things will.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 27, 2019 12:14 PM (two hours ago)

<3

you love to see it etc
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/463445-federal-judge-blocks-trump-administration-from-detaining-migrant-children

lol Rudy was going to speak at a Kremlin-supported thing for cash, with Putin reportedly in attendance, but ... Rudy had to cancel. Sad-face.

How much is Putin enjoying all this?

a borschtl and a peck

And a hug around the neck.

Volker just quit his Ukraine envoy job. I guess something came up?

broken but a student newspaper!

What a scoop by the student newspaper at ASU! Three sources have now confirmed this news to CNN: https://t.co/zKDjgbGifD

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 27, 2019

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/carl-bernstein-sources-say-william-barr-preparing-to-deliver-evidence-of-a-deep-state-conspiracy

oh fer chirst's sake

That's literally the only site reporting this

They’re going to try something like this though. Trump and Giuliani already laying the groundwork.

Alleging myriad conspirators at the highest level of government worked for Stalin

They already have tried it. It hasn't caught on.

xp not helpful, as usual