END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

there’s also poll data to suggest that Sanders has a pretty decent chance of winning New Hampshire and in national polls he is still hanging pretty close with Warren in a tie for second.

This is one of the main things I worry about with Bernie. Certain of his supporters LOVE to reflexively label Warren as a technocrat but at a certain point a presidency isn't just about grassroots movement-building but about appointing good competent people to help you carry out your vision. I certainly don't think Sanders would bring aboard a bunch of grifters or ghouls like Trump of course, but he does seem to have shown a worrying tendency to elevate people in his campaign who can't seem to stop showing their asses online rather than engaging in the unsexy nuts and bolts work of running a campaign. On Bernie's part I don't know if this is just inattention or if he really thinks some of these folks are the best people to represent him, but either way the result's the same. I still like Bernie a whole lot but it's too easy for me to envision a Sanders presidency where his cabinet has some really smart and inspiring people in it but also a fair number of outright kooks.

my thing is idk if any of these kooks have created any problems anyone who's not incredibly online even notices. like I'm pretty fucking online and even I haven't noticed anything that anyone but fred remembers 6 hrs later

There would have been a time in my life when I suppose I would have been worried about “kooks”. but then I guess I just look at the last... forever years and I’m like hm maybe all these ppl — even the Very Serious technocrats — are sort of kooky. like, if you’re still talking incrementalism in 2019 then I’m inclined to think you’re scarcely better than an outright denier.

Where some see kooks, I see energetic and committed young socialists who have been drafted directly from the largest, most successful radical leftist political movement this country’s seen in decades.

and “denier” applies not only to climate change but the failures of neoliberal economics and the normalization of fascism

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yo bernie redistribute some of that dick length b pic.twitter.com/rglcx4L3aX

— Kieran 🚩 (@kieransquared) September 14, 2019

so uh anyway this is nice to see

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/09/24/because-puerto-rico-must-no-longer-be-treated-colony-sanders-and-ocasio-cortez-lead

bernie got a fit off pic.twitter.com/i8BF1LjqOv

— reaghan (@reaghhan) September 25, 2019

Income under $50,000
Sanders: 31%
Biden: 24%
Warren: 24%

Income over $100,000
Biden: 22%
Warren: 21%
Sanders: 8%https://t.co/FmLvHWEumt

— Matt Karp 🌹🦏🇺🇸 (@karpmj) September 24, 2019

my question is what happens to the distribution on that first group if, for just like a random example, Biden were to be removed from the equation

Where the Biden voters go after he drops out is going to be key. Its better he stays in longer though so some of the dregs drop out

Biden isn't dropping out

Biden was on Kimmel last night (saw it compiled on youtube) and so nakedly saying that he's in the race for his own ego, not presenting a coherent, let alone compelling, vision of how to improve anything about society or peoples' lives.

MSNBC once had another respected billionaire, Harvey Weinstein, on to call Bernie a sexist. pic.twitter.com/6G2z7wuZXh

— Bhaskar Sunkara (@sunraysunray) September 29, 2019

Biden isn't dropping out

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles),

Maybe, maybe not, I don't see him lasting the primaries tho

I can imagine a scenario where he has some key losses, plummets in the polls, and drops, but I think it's hard to say that's very likely at the moment.

he has nowhere to go but down imo. every month his support erodes.

I actually think it's more likely Bernie drops, but I think it's basically a 3-way toss up between Sanders, Warren, and Biden at this point.

bernie has a higher floor than most but a lower ceiling. bidens floor could fall out. he's dropped about 25 points of his national poll advantage in 4.5 months with another 4 months until iowa.

Its not so much about Biden's support, as his performance. His cognition is surely going to be an issue. Getting away with it so far by coasting on saying as little as he can get away with. But going through the primaries is a big ask

A lot of wishful thinking that Biden would drop out. The guy was VP for eight years and now it's right within his grasp. He believes it's his to lose.

I doubt he's drop out even after a string of early defeats :(

he'd

it’s definitely interesting and worth debating hypotheticals that no one has any real info on tho 👍🏻

^ mods, new board descrip pls

not so much wishing that Biden drops out as that he's crushed to death by a block of frozen airplane effluent

it’s definitely interesting and worth debating hypotheticals that no one has any real info on tho 👍🏻

― k3vin k., Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:52 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i guess lock all politics threads

good idea

i think the foreign-policy case for bernie over warren is much, much stronger and much, much more substantive than the theory-of-change case https://t.co/gSPVNMUakT

— Max Read (@max_read) September 26, 2019

I'd give him the edge over Warren in FP, yeah, but his own history is fraught too. It's a draw. I tend to think presidents truly become awful as soon as they realize they can kill people.

Best wishes to @BernieSanders pic.twitter.com/nZ5eWvoNWn

— David Dayen (@ddayen) October 2, 2019

So he went to a capitalism hospital....interesting, https://t.co/IwjWcL8lXf

— normal and relaxed (@InternetHippo) October 2, 2019

Can't wait for concern trolling all the way from Denmark

a capitalism hospital

Can't wait for concern trolling all the way from Denmark

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 8:01 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

aren't you british

No

oh ok never mind then

xp that's an irony tweet right, I can't really tell anymore

yes

I am not British, that's a fact, just live among Britishes

been seeing a lot of variants of

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ BERNIE TAKE MY ARTERIES ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

— metal.going as a normal person for halloween.txt (@metaltxt) October 2, 2019

:(

Advertising Analytics, an ad tracking firm, confirmed to POLITICO that the Sanders campaign canceled the entirety of its recently scheduled ad buy in Iowa on broadcast television. The Sanders campaign had announced a $1.3 million ad buy on Monday in the state, and it was set to begin on Thursday.

i would be okay with bernie dropping out and putting his full weight behind warren, then coming on as secretary of treasury

the Iowa thing is ominous, OTOH ppl seem generally to recover from this procedure pretty quickly so :shrug:

i would ok with warren dropping out and writing recipes for pow wow chow full time.

Ad buy like that might come with terms allowing some rescheduling? I don't think they'd just let it go up in smoke. The Iowa caucus isn't until February.

i can totally see a path to Warren winning the election, which i assume means she would lose

jeez guys a man is DYING here

is he??

do not feed the Irishman