Actually dying at the replies to that, brutal
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
committing to have a second referendum six months after a GE seems bad
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
hook it into my veins
A Labour MP gets in touch following the conference Brexit votes. pic.twitter.com/MX3s9fjMsK— Kevin Schofield (@PolhomeEditor) September 23, 2019
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
kevin schofield is a cheroot huffing xunt
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
Schofield has his Labour right contacts and we have LBI and pom to count on.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
Swings and roundabouts etc.
Rounding up the furnurs eh comrade? Charming.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
emily maitliss has just described labour policy as a "spot on compromise analysis" : O
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
... only after it was ventriloquised by yanis varoufakis
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
Because you’re having a go at people who probably agree with you on 95% of stuff?
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:27 (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
between this and tom's "getting pretty worked up" comment, lads, lads, listen....have a word. why is it only pom deserves a rompering for the crimes all itt are guilty of, and many ahead of him in line of magnitude of guilt
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
why do all these insufferable xunts even care what side jeremy corbyn supports anyway?
they've spent three years saying he was bloody AWOL during the last referendum - their positions are not even internally consistent
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
If Labour had claimed remain from the getgo, letting crazy clown BoJo ride the PM-ship for a while should have Labour well over the 50 percent imo.
(drinking rose tbf)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink
Sadly I'm sober rn.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
sorry wasn't referring to anyone itt as an insufferable xunt - meant hardcore "follow back, pedophile"-types
nb maitliss' forced confusion only matched by starmers seeming bewilderment there
i mean its an absurdly simple position. what the fuck gives.
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
did you literally come into a thread several hours later to resurrect this? I have no beef with Pom the person or any of the regulars itt, but it is so tedious having to explain & defend my position again and again and guessing others feel the same.xps to deems
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
Yanis otm.
xp to Deems: Because ultimately ppl itt don't like people from outside England to opine on current brexit affairs. This has been made rather obvious. Hence comrade's remark just now, etc etc.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
This is...extremely untrue & unfair.
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
I feel attacked
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
Being told to shut it is ok, being lumped together as "LBI and Pom" - though I care about Pom - is rather telling tbf. It's mostly comrade alphabet's doing though. And - raises fist - it won't stop me from *reading this thread!*. As I <3 Gyac, NV, Plax especially and most of youse.
I do have a stake in this, you know. I wouldn't haunt this thread if I didn't. No need to drag up the past again, it's all scattered across the board why I am interested in this, and my stake isn't even as prescient or serious as Pom's is (we get thrown together on here, and he seems to me a prince and a scholar, but we do in fact not know each other in real life, and it annoys the fuck out of me to be put in the 'foreigner' corner, just saying), as he's actually living in the uk.
*sighs* ah well.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
Nobody is telling you to shut it LBI. Keep posting, its fine man.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
Time for me to stick my head above the parapet. Labour should be leading on this and many other issues. Freedom of movement is a great thing, or at the very least the positives massively outweigh the negatives. As with everything else the Tories have done a shit job at dealing with the negatives whilst reaping the massive benefits of the positives, all while taking a classic fascist position on immigration ( especially people of colour and people who don’t measure up to whatever standards of economic benefit they choose to set)
Once again though labour is vacillating. Instead of coming out in full throated support of free movement and a internationalisation of workers rights we get something that is close to ‘legitimate concerns’ in the manifesto. (Migration impact fund should be restored and then some).
It is the timidity and vacillation that is galling.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
sorry gyac ive had an uncharacteristically busy day
the two statements i picked out were likewise not a beef with either you or tom, both of whom i like as i like everyone itt.
im pointing out that the two *behaviours* ye identified as issues with pom (and specifically *not* positions) are far more egregiously displayed by others itt on an hourly basis and that seems so blatantly obvious to me at least that it invites anyone of good faith to have a moment to genuinely consider it.
nb i am perfectly aware i am not held as such a person itt, nonetheless the invite stands.
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
should point out that i dont at all agree with the characterisation in lbi's follow up fwiw
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:51 (four years ago) link
some of the bullshit self victimisation in this thread tonight is about as convincing as Gapes attempt at joining the grammar police!
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:53 (four years ago) link
If you're gonna come out with 'well if Lab adopt a Lib Dem position they win +50 next election'. I mean, I'm not made of stone.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
.....fair
soz lbi. the mans not wrong.
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
Well yeah Deems, you wouldn't, but things seem to be getting hostile in here rather quickly as of late. It's all fun and games w/ Calz ranting and cursing at the so called French massive (of which neither Pom or I are part of iirc), and others soon join and it makes this thread a less welcoming place.
Best to take he back seat as I love you all and god save the queen etc.
xp ffs
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, September 24, 2019 12:56 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah, this isn't even close to what I was saying...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
This is all very silly, because what matters is what Ed wrote above. That is what matters, that is the fucking point. "The timidity and vacillation that is galling".
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
This so much bollocks esp. as hardly anyone itt is actually English!
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
Idk! Peeps/Comrade/Calzino seem to *love too* throw "french" ppl together when it comes down to it.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:14 (four years ago) link
"w/ Calz ranting and cursing at the so called French massive"
that is a gross mischaracterisation of what has actually happened today, and i like Pom ftr even though sometimes I'll have a pop at him occasionally (and nobody dies) - I'm not a xenophobe. But you have been posting some of worst garbage I've seen in years on this thread tonight, proper fucking bullshit FBPE deep cuts from hell. Get a fucking grip!
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
guillotines innit xp
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
Well yeah Deems, you wouldn't,
what because im a northsider now? you cur!
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 23:17 (four years ago) link
Surely the ILX Montagnards should be pro-French?
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
i will have an opportunity to check in itt in approx 11 hours and i hope to see demonstrably worse behaviour from all fwiw
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
But you have been posting some of worst garbage I've seen in years on this thread tonight, proper fucking bullshit FBPE deep cuts from hell.
If only dn's allowed for this much characters.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:26 (four years ago) link
Free movement is the antidote to the bonfire of workers rights, wages and the race to the bottom. If workers have the ability to sell their skills to the highest bidder (even if only some take up the opportunity) it raises pay and condition. If only capital is free to move and not labour, labour is fucked because capital flow to where it is cheapest and labour will be powerless. People have to have the right to up sticks a seek out a better life.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 23 September 2019 23:27 (four years ago) link
Thread needs more Ed <3
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
transparent kowtowing is less what this thread needs, especially from posters who deep down know they've shit the bed after too many wine spritzers!
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:57 (four years ago) link
you post that 50+ clear bollocks about labour in remain position and expect not to get some shit on a messageboard. And then start with some self-victimising bullshit. You are a joke!
― calzino, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 00:02 (four years ago) link
Playing this differently would have picked up some support at the expense of other support. I generally think the right path has been taken, but not with a significantly solid level of conviction or certainty. The lay of the land is what it is
Otherwise its just
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_oZgQT4uNQ
― anvil, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 00:12 (four years ago) link
Dunno what this fake love-in is about. I personally can't stand most of you.
― What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 01:03 (four years ago) link
that's not actually true but there are tens/hundreds of UK ILXors using this site daily who are interested in politics and this thread is a no-go for them. That's not conjecture, btw.
― What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 01:11 (four years ago) link
FWIW, a good experiment is to deliberately not post to this thread for a while and just observe it. It's really not a good thread to observe.
― What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link
I do that all the time and it’s pure respite from Trump administration bullshit. I love this thread.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 01:59 (four years ago) link
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 05:36 (four years ago) link
turd throwing is an acceptable amateur sport, no animals are harmed, get with the program
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 05:52 (four years ago) link
A depressing problem confronting Labour’s Brexit strategy is that there is a large (growing?) proportion of society that doesn’t want to bring this culture war to an end per se, they want to win it.— Will Davies (@davies_will) September 23, 2019
depressing because as we know from the US you can’t win a culture war. the right know this - the object is not to win but to perpetuate it forever and as people get more angry they might not notice all the other shit going wrong around them. labour’s position is the only one which recognises this and offers a route out here...
― stoffle (||||||||), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 05:53 (four years ago) link
stick this on a billboard !!
Labour is promising free personal care for OAPs, perfect state schools, cheaper bills, better trains, lower emissions, fully funded councils, electric cars when you want em, no prescription charges, no tuition fees, no austerity, lower taxes for 95%- and all with a four day week!— steve hawkes (@steve_hawkes) September 23, 2019
― stoffle (||||||||), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 06:00 (four years ago) link