Everyone itt is in favour of freedom of movement. There you go. Job done.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link
FOM D
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link
I think there should be quotas on how many supercilious French speaking nincompoops with a predilection for projecting ignorance onto other people enjoy FOM tbf. joeks obv
was listening to a hostile environment story earlier of a Nigerian woman who was deported by the HO and unceremoniously shunted onto a plane and not even dropped off at the main airport, just dumped onto some remote country lane in some remote part of Lagos without a penneth to her name.
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:30 (four years ago) link
Getting rid of FOM is nbd because of that anecdote. Flawless logic.
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link
flawless reading
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
joeks obv
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
and that is what I was saying yes? That's the problem with you pom, your a total dickhead of much wilful misapprehension at times
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link
I just mentioned it because I heard it on the radio earlier ftr.
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
supercilious French speaking nincompoops with a predilection for projecting ignorance onto other people
your a total dickhead of much wilful misapprehension at times
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― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
yeah really not sure where this kind of passive aggressive sarcasm is coming from, we're all friends here surely!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 September 2019 13:36 (four years ago) link
I don't care that much about leave or remain and if the UK is to have x amounts of immigrants I'm just as happy for them to be from Ghana or Costa Rica as from Iceland or lithuania.
― oscar bravo, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:38 (four years ago) link
Ireland auto corrected to Iceland there for some reason
― oscar bravo, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
ILX sponsorship deal iirc
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
I have 5 A levels and degrees from Oxford and Harvard. Angela Rayner is a far better politician than I will ever be. And a far more admirable human being than the mean spirited snobs who sneer at her. https://t.co/mjcao8cUYc— Nick Boles MP (@NickBoles) September 23, 2019
lol
― ogmor, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
"FOM will be BACK BACK BACK when we establish the customs union we have in mind" - this seems an odd reading though, I'm not aware of plans to leave the EU without a customs union other than No Deal.
- you are not the only foreigner itt
No, but you are AFAIK the only (European) foreigner itt willing to go to the mat for Labour on this issue?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link
lol @the Boles condescension "don't do it nick!"
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link
the boles condescension is my favourite robert ludlum novel
― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
i think Allison's forgetting that a lot of us have been treated to the depth of her intellect on Late Review and that's pretty shaky ground she's standing on right there
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
otm, what a dimwit she was on that programme.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
it's a delicious idea tho that your GCSE results should disqualify you from being an education minister more so than say never having been to a state school in your entire worthless life
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link
andrew, acc.mcdonnell some time back end of last year the lab dream of a WA would have in mind a future customs union suited to lab's wants and dreams*: this can't strictly speaking be pre-negotiated (bcz the WA doesn't allow for trade details to be pinned down) though it probably could (as of june 2017, which is when we're talking about) have been well signalled and agreed-on in back channels
lab aren't in a position to set out a plan, they're not in government. whether FOM actually ends and re-begins, or in effect carries on, depends on the nature of WA, but there's definitely a case for reading lab's manifesto claim as a lawyerly bit of sleight-of-hand (FOM as grounded by our current status in the EU will end with our current status). the question of the strained-ness of this reading really depends on how effective you think the sleight-of-hand is: the intent behind it is revealed more by lab's refusal to back the may version of WA (and refusal of no deal) than by anything said out loud.
*this was much mocked in the UK media as inveterate unicornism, by political opponents (as you;d expect) and by commentators confused by the fact that the WA was and is a precursor to the next stage of negotiations (even in the case of no deal) -- but among others donald tusk was happy to give it quiet approval
― mark s, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link
i shd add i'm making a bit of a distinction between the first half of 2017, which is when the manifesto in question was drawn up and when the strategy was evolving, and today -- when a lot of water has passed under the bridge. i don't necessarily think the stance and the strategy are exactly the same now (i fret when lab started calling for a second ref for example, but it was relatively recently and certainly not part-and-parcel with 2017 manifesto strategy)
― mark s, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
not "i fret" but "i forget" lol
― mark s, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link
i fret a little
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
i mean me too but abt other stuff mostly
― mark s, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
butts
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
who among us does not fret about butts
― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:30 (four years ago) link
Make sure that you can say "I helped lay the foundations of a new society". #Lab19 pic.twitter.com/OQwZ15PHqQ— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) September 23, 2019
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link
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― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
reread the manifesto section on Brexit, on Labour's website, earlier and don't know if we covered it before but it states 'where immigration has put a strain on public services' which as a statement, even as conditional as it may be in this case (being too generous probably), just should never have been nor continue to be used
― nashwan, Monday, 23 September 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
For areas where immigration has placed a strain on public services we will reinstate the Migrant Impact Fund and boost it with a contributory element from the investments required for High Net Worth Individual Visas.
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― conrad, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
_For areas where immigration has placed a strain on public services we will reinstate the Migrant Impact Fund and boost it with a contributory element from the investments required for High Net Worth Individual Visas._?
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 23 September 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
grampasimpsonwalksindoor.gif
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
Probably the most singularly appropriate dn youโve ever had
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
Looks like the NEC statement went through.
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
This is not the end of the fight - not even at this conference.Tomorrow, #Lab19 will get to vote on the @labfreemvmt motion on freedom of movement and migrants' rights.We are urging all our supporters at conference to now help campaign for this important motion ๐ pic.twitter.com/ngu7tljIdh— Another Europe (@Another_Europe) September 23, 2019
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
some great bedwetting on ch4 news from labour conference
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
On PM they seemed sure the vote was going the other way so the editorial line was : this vote is seen as a confidence in the leadership test by many. I think it totally ruined the rest of the show for Evan Davies.
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
I heard David Lammy on the radio today, saying something along the lines of: "The Tories have/are leave, the LibDems have/are remain, what is/does Labour have? No hard brexit but maybe a better WA or perhaps a second referendum? That's no message. That doesn't wash."
Lammy otm. It's astonishing (for an ~outsider~) to see how Labour make themselves seem inadequate, even in the worst of times. BJ is PM ffs, Labour should be able to walk this, poll over +50 and take charge. But they can't close the ranks, and do not have a clear answer to the Brexit crisis. It's so frustrating. I think this was what Pom was getting at with Labour(istas) "not being remain enough".
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
Pretty much, but I'm selfish and ignorant and a total dickhead and misrepresenting other's positions for pointing it out, so what do I know?
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
what position would let labour poll at +50?
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
Because youโre having a go at people who probably agree with you on 95% of stuff?
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
We do agree on 95% of stuff, yes. But was I really having a go at anyone itt by expressing my dissatisfaction with Corbyn's handling of Brexit? I'm incidentally and unsurprisingly disappointed with the result of today's vote btw.
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
How Remain should they be? Lib Dem Remain?
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
harder
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
In the world of actually trying to get money for things like equal educational opportunities (for example) for people who don't have a pot to piss in, it's completely normal to say, yes, immigration has had an impact on resources. It's how you get, or try to get, MORE resources. I know this from direct experience of a large migration of Somali people into Leicester in the early 2000s when The Netherlands got pretty unpleasant (Pim Fortuyn, ffs, it's like nothing ever changes) . There's a good report by the Open Society (Go Soros!) on this if anyone cares to read it.
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
No, composite 13 Remain.
2xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
xp could have fooled quite a few of us.
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
That 5% seems to get you pretty worked up.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
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Eh?
xp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link