PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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only bbc have seen it so this is probably the best source.

Times and Guardian reporting is supposedly from a memo to colleagues last weekend.

Fizzles, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link

Obviously policy isn't getting through but idk I'd rather get a lot of this shit out now than in a few weeks xp = staying out through the autumn election could be untenable.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:32 (four years ago) link

here's the official statement. only shippers and fisher's friend who goes to another school you wouldn't know him have seen the full internal memo but JC did not dispute the quotes put to him on marr

NEW: This is the full resignation statement from @FisherAndrew79 pic.twitter.com/gixwxMV5V9

— Tom Rayner (@RaynerSkyNews) September 21, 2019

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:34 (four years ago) link

When Andrew Fisher resigned he sent a message to close colleagues outlining 10 things that had caused him to quit. Many are coded attacks on the behaviour of Seumas Milne. He then added this: pic.twitter.com/jLKwjQRYga

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) September 21, 2019

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:35 (four years ago) link

We're going to get No Deal because everyone involved in the Labour Party apparently can't stfu and focus on what really matters. I'm sure there are awful people working within Corbyn's team (I guess he's talking about Milne and Murphy?) but as with Lansmann yesterday if you pull something like this on the eve of the conference you're just fucking everyone. No one's going to come out of any of this with any credit.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:36 (four years ago) link

otm

Fizzles, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:38 (four years ago) link

can't help themselves w coming the xunt

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:40 (four years ago) link

The moves against Boris a couple of weeks ago felt like a genuine turning point so of course they're all pissing it up the wall because internal disputes and vacuous personal brand building are more important than presenting a united front and actually preventing the worst government we can remember from driving us over the cliff. And I'm including Jo Swinson in this as well.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link

That's a hasty reaction Matt. When was the last time conference business decided anything election wise? The key (atm) is Fisher is staying on to work through the next election.

The policy on Europe is decided (bar Corbyn's neutrality in a ref).

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:46 (four years ago) link

They are actively trying to generate terrible, damaging headlines in conference week and last year they showed they were capable of doing the opposite.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:49 (four years ago) link

yeah but last year all the bad headlines were attacking their policies that would be a marxist raid on shareholders etc.. was that any less damaging to the party? idk

calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:52 (four years ago) link

It was less damaging because the policies are more popular than the perception of the party and its MPs

That said it seems like they can't win the media game in between elections so Matt is probably overstating the damage

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:56 (four years ago) link

It's kind of exhausting having to tie your calculations about how best to unseat this useless shitheel government to considerations of Brexitmania, the need to appease or at least work with hostile melts etc; hard to blame anybody for getting to the "can we just whack Watson/MR Seumas Milne already?" phase

An actual election should take their minds off it for a bit

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:00 (four years ago) link

Just a month or so ago we had the shares plan, and the property acquisition from landlords. I feel the policies will go on.

The problem to me -- and this might be fatal -- is the selling of this European policy and whether we can cut through as a reasonable plan. We could get No deal because it's easier to get that we leave, and people thinks this will make Europe go away. The reality of dealing with an issue at another ref might be asking too much of people.

A good line is still needed.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:05 (four years ago) link

but of course what makes the line so difficult, and plays into the hands of Brexit Party and Lib Dem ultras, is that Europe cuts across the established party lines and this brute fact can't just be handwaved away in a wishful "become the Remain party" fantasy, not least because of the labyrinthine mathematics of FPTP

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link

It was a cathartic rant but we'll know after the election won't we?

Last year the press clutched their pearls about the policy announcements but the policies themselves were popular and cut through. That's less likely to happen if they're being drowned out by all the other noise.

I'm still wondering why a previously loyal and supportive aide would choose this precise moment to resign. Maybe they had to get ahead of the story - the publication of the full memo or something else.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link

he's still a loyal and supportive aide, going from his twitter feed this morning. all very odd

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:16 (four years ago) link

It wasn’t this moment - it was last week. Looks from the statement that he was trying to keep it quiet and work an agreed notice period, but the Times published the stuff they’d been leaked.

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:16 (four years ago) link

There might be something more to Fisher going, but also part of me doesn't want to be that much of a nerd about staffing issues (also getting a lot through my twitter about Sanders' staff atm).

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:18 (four years ago) link

good

Rayner: Labour plans to “integrate” private schools into state system. So plan to abolish tax breaks (scrap discounted business rates & charge VAT on fees) in 1st budget, then end dual system of private/state Momentum source tells me they expect vote to pass #LabourConference2019 pic.twitter.com/lbMTXapunU

— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) September 22, 2019

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link

This is the Labour against private schools motion. Rayner used the same language in her speech “integrate” all private schools. That means, according to motion, “endowments, investments and properties held by private schools be redistributed democratically & fairly” pic.twitter.com/nVoz2EiJF5

— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) September 22, 2019

class war is good not bad

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:34 (four years ago) link

free nursery education for all 2-4 year olds should be a massive policy

Yup. I'm going to spend the next two years of my life paying to work full time pic.twitter.com/MLoB1rsa9C

— boodleoops (@boodleoops) September 21, 2019

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:45 (four years ago) link

Murdoch press and Daily Mail all pushing the Boris Johnson / Jennifer Arcuri story this morning.

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-overruled-officials-send-trade-missions-2019-9

Strong Disgraced Former Defence Minister Liam Fox vibes on this one.

ShariVari, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:21 (four years ago) link

what's the uk equiv of "Drain The Swamp"?

koogs, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:24 (four years ago) link

dredging the thames?

koogs, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:26 (four years ago) link

Disinfect the bog.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:26 (four years ago) link

lid the ditch and skirt the sinkholes

mark s, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link

Drano the sink

funnel spider ESA (Matt #2), Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link

Empty the skip

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:45 (four years ago) link

Exterminate all the brutes

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:54 (four years ago) link

clear the lobby

provisional ilx (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link

Fill in the potholes.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link

sir you go too far

mark s, Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link

Gut the kippers.

Thank You (Fattekin Mice Elf Control Again) (Noel Emits), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link

De-grease the AGA.

ShariVari, Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:43 (four years ago) link

Activate the queen

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link

the red queen

provisional ilx (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link

Confirmed, Ian Austin is lurking outside Labour Conference like a bitter stalking ex who can’t let go.

Obviously planning a media stunt.#LabourConference2019 pic.twitter.com/LR8UWK2jt6

— Joshua Funnell 🌹 (@JoshuaFunnell2) September 22, 2019


wtf

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

Absolutely tragic. This shower makes Change UK look like a formidable operation. pic.twitter.com/vqFbOwJl4g

— Joshua Funnell 🌹 (@JoshuaFunnell2) September 22, 2019

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link

pretty sure the Campaign Against Extremism will turn up at the Tory party conference just to even it out

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link

"Mainstream" lool the lettering makes it look like a pharmacy delivery service

calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link

Inject it directly into my veins.

Austin’s big launch splash is a YouGov poll suggesting that Labour’s extremist hard left membership would like to abolish the monarchy.

ShariVari, Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

never have they been more at one with the FBPE Internationale

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link

https://i.postimg.cc/hjLY4J5S/4-A98-B938-3847-4-A04-845-F-0-F4-A7-C2-A9-AE8.jpg
That Ian Austin feels these views are sufficiently ~extreme~ enough to publish makes me extremely glad he’s fucked off out of Labour.

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:55 (four years ago) link

Good from Diane Abbott

We will welcome refugees, including child refugees.

We will proudly uphold the torture ban and treat the victims of torture with humanity, not detentions and deportations.

We will end indefinite immigration detention, and limit it to the 28 days MPs were originally promised.

And we will close Yarl’s Wood and Brook House detention centres and review the entire detention estate.

We will fund our police forces properly, and work to give our communities genuine security.

We will hold public inquiries into historic injustices – into Orgreave, into blacklisting.

We will release all papers relating to the Shrewsbury 24 trials and the 37 Cammell Laird shipyard workers.

I owe everything in life to the Labour movement. There was a postwar generation of socialists who campaigned against colonialism. There was the NHS orange juice and cod-liver oil. There was my free university education. And above all the chance to serve as Britain’s first black woman MP.

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link

Agree with all of that apart from the cod-liver oil.

funnel spider ESA (Matt #2), Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:43 (four years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFFAeLbXYAAZ5QF.jpg

Thornberry wins the prize for most subtle apparel of the day!

calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link

Mr Corbyn is also wary of comparing himself with Marvel comic characters as Boris Johnson did and was then ridiculed as the Incredible Hulk.

The Labour leader said: “I’m no superhero but I hope my superpower is listening to people. You can learn a lot from listening.”

Mr Johnson described Mr Corbyn as a “superannuated Marxist” in an email to Conservative party members on Friday.

Mr Corbyn sniffed: “That’s ridiculously ageist. I haven’t got anything against him because of his age.”

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link

Is this...another weird conspiracy theory?

Tom Watson: “It must be very lonely being the Lee Harvey Oswald of the Labour Party for Jon Lansman.”

— Michael Crick (@MichaelLCrick) September 22, 2019

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link


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