he's no Frank Field when it comes to powers of occult regeneration
― calzino, Saturday, 21 September 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
lol we're all gonna fucking die https://t.co/PTFlxIL7lk— Crowsa Luxemburg (@quendergeer) September 21, 2019
I love my milk full of microbial disease and deadly bacteria!
― calzino, Saturday, 21 September 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
anyone got the gen on fisher going? don't trust the guardian's reporting
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 03:53 (four years ago) link
he's a genuine corbyn true believer and the reasons they're quoting seem v odd
oh, shippers is the source of those claims. bullshit then
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
Nothing has been invalidated. The BBC has been given his official resignation statement. I have obtained his private reasons as shared with friends. Stop being a cultist and look at the denials from Corbyn’s office or Fisher of my reporting. There has been none— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) September 21, 2019
andrew fisher's friend is tim shipman's source. right
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 03:57 (four years ago) link
the "lack of professionalism, competence and human decency” quote that has been attributed to him sounds like pure bullshit seeing as he has pledged to work for them through the next GE
― calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 07:48 (four years ago) link
... and I thought he was PRO-class war?
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 08:20 (four years ago) link
JC not denying the times wording on marr
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 08:23 (four years ago) link
LMAO at Corbyn wondering aloud at the type of memo going round Andrew Marr’s team about him.
― coup de twat (suzy), Sunday, 22 September 2019 08:25 (four years ago) link
he seemed quite relaxed about the fisher thing but that wording is pretty strong stuff
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link
he's a total prick for timing this outburst for the conference.
― calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 08:42 (four years ago) link
the times do have previous on chopping and screwing internal labour emails to present an alternate meaning from the original intent
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:07 (four years ago) link
I genuinely believe AF is a sound xunt and have 0 faith in times' reporting
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:11 (four years ago) link
Timing is terrible even if Fisher's reasoning is unclear. In the end it's very minor stuff atm. Staffing issues, Labour students, the 'coup' against Watson.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:11 (four years ago) link
so if those are his words, and not taken out of context, they are pretty stiff stuff
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:12 (four years ago) link
Got a link to his actual statement?
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:23 (four years ago) link
only bbc have seen it so this is probably the best source. Times and Guardian reporting is supposedly from a memo to colleagues last weekend.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link
Obviously policy isn't getting through but idk I'd rather get a lot of this shit out now than in a few weeks xp = staying out through the autumn election could be untenable.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:32 (four years ago) link
here's the official statement. only shippers and fisher's friend who goes to another school you wouldn't know him have seen the full internal memo but JC did not dispute the quotes put to him on marr
NEW: This is the full resignation statement from @FisherAndrew79 pic.twitter.com/gixwxMV5V9— Tom Rayner (@RaynerSkyNews) September 21, 2019
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:34 (four years ago) link
When Andrew Fisher resigned he sent a message to close colleagues outlining 10 things that had caused him to quit. Many are coded attacks on the behaviour of Seumas Milne. He then added this: pic.twitter.com/jLKwjQRYga— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) September 21, 2019
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:35 (four years ago) link
We're going to get No Deal because everyone involved in the Labour Party apparently can't stfu and focus on what really matters. I'm sure there are awful people working within Corbyn's team (I guess he's talking about Milne and Murphy?) but as with Lansmann yesterday if you pull something like this on the eve of the conference you're just fucking everyone. No one's going to come out of any of this with any credit.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:36 (four years ago) link
otm
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:38 (four years ago) link
can't help themselves w coming the xunt
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:40 (four years ago) link
The moves against Boris a couple of weeks ago felt like a genuine turning point so of course they're all pissing it up the wall because internal disputes and vacuous personal brand building are more important than presenting a united front and actually preventing the worst government we can remember from driving us over the cliff. And I'm including Jo Swinson in this as well.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link
That's a hasty reaction Matt. When was the last time conference business decided anything election wise? The key (atm) is Fisher is staying on to work through the next election.
The policy on Europe is decided (bar Corbyn's neutrality in a ref).
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:46 (four years ago) link
They are actively trying to generate terrible, damaging headlines in conference week and last year they showed they were capable of doing the opposite.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:49 (four years ago) link
yeah but last year all the bad headlines were attacking their policies that would be a marxist raid on shareholders etc.. was that any less damaging to the party? idk
― calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:52 (four years ago) link
It was less damaging because the policies are more popular than the perception of the party and its MPs
That said it seems like they can't win the media game in between elections so Matt is probably overstating the damage
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 09:56 (four years ago) link
It's kind of exhausting having to tie your calculations about how best to unseat this useless shitheel government to considerations of Brexitmania, the need to appease or at least work with hostile melts etc; hard to blame anybody for getting to the "can we just whack Watson/MR Seumas Milne already?" phase
An actual election should take their minds off it for a bit
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:00 (four years ago) link
Just a month or so ago we had the shares plan, and the property acquisition from landlords. I feel the policies will go on.
The problem to me -- and this might be fatal -- is the selling of this European policy and whether we can cut through as a reasonable plan. We could get No deal because it's easier to get that we leave, and people thinks this will make Europe go away. The reality of dealing with an issue at another ref might be asking too much of people.
A good line is still needed.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:05 (four years ago) link
but of course what makes the line so difficult, and plays into the hands of Brexit Party and Lib Dem ultras, is that Europe cuts across the established party lines and this brute fact can't just be handwaved away in a wishful "become the Remain party" fantasy, not least because of the labyrinthine mathematics of FPTP
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link
It was a cathartic rant but we'll know after the election won't we?Last year the press clutched their pearls about the policy announcements but the policies themselves were popular and cut through. That's less likely to happen if they're being drowned out by all the other noise.I'm still wondering why a previously loyal and supportive aide would choose this precise moment to resign. Maybe they had to get ahead of the story - the publication of the full memo or something else.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link
he's still a loyal and supportive aide, going from his twitter feed this morning. all very odd
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:16 (four years ago) link
It wasn’t this moment - it was last week. Looks from the statement that he was trying to keep it quiet and work an agreed notice period, but the Times published the stuff they’d been leaked.
― gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:16 (four years ago) link
There might be something more to Fisher going, but also part of me doesn't want to be that much of a nerd about staffing issues (also getting a lot through my twitter about Sanders' staff atm).
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:18 (four years ago) link
good
Rayner: Labour plans to “integrate” private schools into state system. So plan to abolish tax breaks (scrap discounted business rates & charge VAT on fees) in 1st budget, then end dual system of private/state Momentum source tells me they expect vote to pass #LabourConference2019 pic.twitter.com/lbMTXapunU— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) September 22, 2019
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link
This is the Labour against private schools motion. Rayner used the same language in her speech “integrate” all private schools. That means, according to motion, “endowments, investments and properties held by private schools be redistributed democratically & fairly” pic.twitter.com/nVoz2EiJF5— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) September 22, 2019
class war is good not bad
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:34 (four years ago) link
free nursery education for all 2-4 year olds should be a massive policy
Yup. I'm going to spend the next two years of my life paying to work full time pic.twitter.com/MLoB1rsa9C— boodleoops (@boodleoops) September 21, 2019
― stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 10:45 (four years ago) link
Murdoch press and Daily Mail all pushing the Boris Johnson / Jennifer Arcuri story this morning.
https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-overruled-officials-send-trade-missions-2019-9
Strong Disgraced Former Defence Minister Liam Fox vibes on this one.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:21 (four years ago) link
what's the uk equiv of "Drain The Swamp"?
― koogs, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:24 (four years ago) link
dredging the thames?
― koogs, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:26 (four years ago) link
Disinfect the bog.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:26 (four years ago) link
lid the ditch and skirt the sinkholes
― mark s, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link
Drano the sink
― funnel spider ESA (Matt #2), Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link
Empty the skip
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:45 (four years ago) link
Exterminate all the brutes
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:54 (four years ago) link
clear the lobby
― provisional ilx (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link
Fill in the potholes.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
sir you go too far
― mark s, Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link