END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

lmao

great link, kingfish. I lolled at Killer Mike in the middle, and teared up at him come the end.

well if going out, watching the football game, go to the basketball games, occasionally drink a beer or two, maybe smoke something that may not be legal is cool, consider me miles davis

I wonder why bernie ppl are constantly on edge

Y’all see this? Someone is missing. pic.twitter.com/CZNAWmJhf8

— #deMOCKracy (@BernieUpstateNY) September 21, 2019

lol

What does Andrew Yang's absence from that picture have anything to do with this?

No bernie ppl are on edge, it's all russian bots and agent provocateurs.

stop posting

I wonder why bernie ppl are constantly on edge

It's difficult to say - without using the word 'paranoid'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0k1rGd5oZA

From the video description:

"The LGBTQ Presidential Forum presented by The Advocate, The Gazette, GLAAD and One Iowa is broadcast live from Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Author Marianne Williamson, former Rep. Joe Sestak, former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Cory Booker, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, Sen. Kamala Harris, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and Former HUD Secretary Julian Castro hear directly from LGBTQ voters and address the issues impacting their lives."

Yes @NateSilver538 called People of Color supporting @BernieSanders residue with great ease. Where, I say where are the folks who usually call out racism? I know where they are. No where to be found because the attack is against Berniecrats. #ResidueForBernie https://t.co/1ktALKBVON

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) September 23, 2019

Pretty pathetic that Nina Turner is lying like that. The campaign is kinda going off the rails at the moment.

His tweet did kinda refer to POCs as "residue." It was poor damn wording at the least.

Come on, Simon.

i mean can you imagine if Sanders or one of his staff had referred to the poc supporters of another candidate as "residue"?

it would be the top story on MSNBC for a week straight and Fred's diaper would be overflowing.

But he did not refer to poc supporters, that's just a straight up lie

i'm the first to admit that some of Sanders' ppl are making more of this than is actually there, but for the love of fuck let's not pretend that if it were the other way around the outrage wouldn't be twice as loud AND a national news story.

It would not. Seriously.

nah i'm right and you're wrong sorry bud

Freaking cult in here. Sorry.

can you plz get under the campaign b4 it goes off the rails, fred?

or maybe get on the rails while the train is still on them

thread sez END TO END BERNERS right at the top my danish friend

I'm gonna throw you a bone here Fred

Not sure Bernie should get credit for having more diverse support than last time given that he has far less support than last time. A lot of voters have left him. White liberals have been particularly likely to leave him (for Warren) so the residue of what's left is more diverse. https://t.co/RKXBGl6sL9

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 22, 2019

Given the chance, you sure you wouldn't reword this just a touch?

(I'm setting aside that "far less support than last time" claim seems a lil weird given that there are way more candidates this time and, if I have this right, he hit 1mil donors more quickly than last time)

https://i.imgur.com/2Ljt178.jpg

shit, I can never remember which things autoformat
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Given the chance, you sure you wouldn't reword this just a touch?

― Simon H., 24. september 2019 05:19 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

He could have said 'remnant' but his word choice is clearly not the story here. He is clearly referring to all Sanders supporters in that tweet, not POC.

(I'm setting aside that "far less support than last time" claim seems a lil weird given that there are way more candidates this time and, if I have this right, he hit 1mil donors more quickly than last time)

― Simon H., 24. september 2019 05:21 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

See, this is where it begins to seem cult-like. There's nothing weird about a data-guy like Silver saying Sanders has far less support than last time, and it's honestly just weird that you'd say so. Silver wrote those tweets after a period where Sanders lost the WFP endorsement even though he probably got 87% of membership votes last time + he just polled at 11% in Iowa. If you'd open your eyes, look at the data, instead of instinctually thinking it must all be slanted because of the impact from evil elites, the data is pretty clear: The campaign is really not going well. The data could clearly be wrong, and of course even if it was right it could all turn around, but at the moment it's not looking that well, and the last few weeks looked particularly bad. Sanders easier hitting 1mil donors doesn't mean that much, after all he could re-use the email-list he built up last time, compared to the polls and endorsements that really didn't go his way.

dnftt

there’s also poll data to suggest that Sanders has a pretty decent chance of winning New Hampshire and in national polls he is still hanging pretty close with Warren in a tie for second.

This is one of the main things I worry about with Bernie. Certain of his supporters LOVE to reflexively label Warren as a technocrat but at a certain point a presidency isn't just about grassroots movement-building but about appointing good competent people to help you carry out your vision. I certainly don't think Sanders would bring aboard a bunch of grifters or ghouls like Trump of course, but he does seem to have shown a worrying tendency to elevate people in his campaign who can't seem to stop showing their asses online rather than engaging in the unsexy nuts and bolts work of running a campaign. On Bernie's part I don't know if this is just inattention or if he really thinks some of these folks are the best people to represent him, but either way the result's the same. I still like Bernie a whole lot but it's too easy for me to envision a Sanders presidency where his cabinet has some really smart and inspiring people in it but also a fair number of outright kooks.

my thing is idk if any of these kooks have created any problems anyone who's not incredibly online even notices. like I'm pretty fucking online and even I haven't noticed anything that anyone but fred remembers 6 hrs later

There would have been a time in my life when I suppose I would have been worried about “kooks”. but then I guess I just look at the last... forever years and I’m like hm maybe all these ppl — even the Very Serious technocrats — are sort of kooky. like, if you’re still talking incrementalism in 2019 then I’m inclined to think you’re scarcely better than an outright denier.

Where some see kooks, I see energetic and committed young socialists who have been drafted directly from the largest, most successful radical leftist political movement this country’s seen in decades.

and “denier” applies not only to climate change but the failures of neoliberal economics and the normalization of fascism

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yo bernie redistribute some of that dick length b pic.twitter.com/rglcx4L3aX

— Kieran 🚩 (@kieransquared) September 14, 2019

so uh anyway this is nice to see

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/09/24/because-puerto-rico-must-no-longer-be-treated-colony-sanders-and-ocasio-cortez-lead

bernie got a fit off pic.twitter.com/i8BF1LjqOv

— reaghan (@reaghhan) September 25, 2019

Income under $50,000
Sanders: 31%
Biden: 24%
Warren: 24%

Income over $100,000
Biden: 22%
Warren: 21%
Sanders: 8%https://t.co/FmLvHWEumt

— Matt Karp 🌹🦏🇺🇸 (@karpmj) September 24, 2019

my question is what happens to the distribution on that first group if, for just like a random example, Biden were to be removed from the equation

Where the Biden voters go after he drops out is going to be key. Its better he stays in longer though so some of the dregs drop out

Biden isn't dropping out

Biden was on Kimmel last night (saw it compiled on youtube) and so nakedly saying that he's in the race for his own ego, not presenting a coherent, let alone compelling, vision of how to improve anything about society or peoples' lives.

MSNBC once had another respected billionaire, Harvey Weinstein, on to call Bernie a sexist. pic.twitter.com/6G2z7wuZXh

— Bhaskar Sunkara (@sunraysunray) September 29, 2019

Biden isn't dropping out

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles),

Maybe, maybe not, I don't see him lasting the primaries tho

I can imagine a scenario where he has some key losses, plummets in the polls, and drops, but I think it's hard to say that's very likely at the moment.

he has nowhere to go but down imo. every month his support erodes.

I actually think it's more likely Bernie drops, but I think it's basically a 3-way toss up between Sanders, Warren, and Biden at this point.

bernie has a higher floor than most but a lower ceiling. bidens floor could fall out. he's dropped about 25 points of his national poll advantage in 4.5 months with another 4 months until iowa.

Its not so much about Biden's support, as his performance. His cognition is surely going to be an issue. Getting away with it so far by coasting on saying as little as he can get away with. But going through the primaries is a big ask

A lot of wishful thinking that Biden would drop out. The guy was VP for eight years and now it's right within his grasp. He believes it's his to lose.

I doubt he's drop out even after a string of early defeats :(