NOUGHT BUT THE TRUTH: 2000-2009 albums & tracks VOTING (and campaigning) thread DEADLINE OCTOBER 11

a huge undertaking. thank you imago

and also seandalai and any others who make this possible

I love the idea of a supercharged version of the ballot

Would it be possible to post the nomination lists to Pastebin? A basic text file is easier for me to handle than a spreadsheet.

^ yes, this!

in addition to Sheena Ringo (who i wrote a little bit about here: Best albums (and tracks) of YOUR favourite albums (and tracks) of the ENTIRE NOUGHTIES: 2000-2009 Ballot Poll Nominations + Campaigning Thread) i wanna campaign for a few more things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbiSxunJatM
Perfume's "Polyrhythm" is one of the most thrilling pop songs i've ever heard, its polyrhythmic breakdown never gets old. would be a wonderful pop song even without all the rhythmic tricks but those take it to an even higher level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSAGtNQcfY
Cymbals Eat Guitars's Why There Are Mountains is one of my favourite rock albums. reminiscent of the proggier/structurally weirder end of pavement etc. but still relentlessly catchy and with electric piano, vibraphone, organ and trumpet all over the place which softens the sound a little and certainly helps it to stand out from its 90s influences. easily the best thing to come out of that whole late 00s/early 10s wave of 90s revivalism.

thanks for doing this imago/seandalai! just spotted a typo in the albums list: Stars - Set Yourself Fire should be Stars - Set Yourself on Fire

got my albums down to a top 100 and I'm wiped out. Don't even know how I'm going to cut it in half - the 00s were a brutal time for me and a bunch of these records literally saved my life.

I noticed that in the track noms, Björk's name is written both as "Björk" and as "Bjork", without the umlaut. I have a habit of correcting missing umlauts, but if I vote for, say, "Pagan Poetry" as Björk and not as "Bjork", will it mess the voting automation?

It definitely risks the result not being noticed, especially if people have already voted for it in the 'wrong' spelling. Keep it as it is and if it places I'll make sure it's spelt properly in the rollout.

As for Pastebin, I'll see if the tracks and albums can be c&p'd into a Pastebin later (perhaps someone who's at home on a computer could also try this?)

PASTEBIN LINKS

ALBUMS: https://pastebin.com/Wfah3xgN
TRACKS: https://pastebin.com/BwpjM95h

Thanks!

Voted.

pastebin has long spaces at the end of each line, could these be removed as could cause problems?

i'm absolutely loving revisiting all this 00s music, my estimation for the decade is going through the roof

me too!

i had it pegged as a strange and slightly shit prototype of the current time of wonder but there's a lot to love, even if the music is a bit more wide-eyed and gauche

I was going through the nominations and I noticed this one:

"Cut Copy - Lights and Magic"

Shouldn't that be "Lights and Music"?

That's on the tracks list, BTW

If it places, they'll correct it in the rollout. This goes for any misspelled track or album. Take it from me, former EOY poll runner!

If people can't remember or look up the names of tracks and albums they love enough to nominate for a decade-wide poll, that's on them

Still a few 2010 tracks in the list too but doubt they will place high enough for it to matter

name names and I will weigh up zapping them

Hot Chip - One Life Stand (Jan 2010 release)
Oni Ayhun - OAR004-A
Robyn - Dancing On My Own

"The Kidnapper Bell" by Mono (from Japan), the best track that Mogwai never wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ouoQ_wAGOc

Campaign time!

If you like your black metal trve, black and nihil, nihil, nihil, like a delicious poisonous dish on the side, do check out Lurker of Chalice's 's/t' album. It is thee best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMxDvkPZr8

You should check this out, Pom and LJ.

/algeriangoalkeeperstanning

I feel like most of these are extremely obvious (at least to me), but just wanting to make sure people don't forget to vote for New Amerykah Part One (the album of the decade), Aaliyah (the album of the decade), Overpowered (the album of the decade), Complex Simplicity (the album of the decade), Blackout (the album of the decade), and, of course, Voodoo (the album of the decade)

anyway as you can see my list making is going extremely well and I'm not having any trouble at all putting things in order

Statues >>>> Overpowered though

not voting for any of those, see u in the results thread

lol but blackout might make my ballot

still not sure about the best songs, but the hands-down best song name: "Dress Sexy at My Funeral"

ppl who don’t vote for aaliyah clown themselves

I have my albums just about ready. Trying to cut my tracks list down is an actual nightmare.

tough deciding whether i'm going to vote for 4 black dice albums or 5 black dice albums

You should check this out, Pom and LJ.

I will, thanks. It's been on my list of pending albums for a while now.

Will listen to that, but for now, let's keep this thread clutter-free (i.e. no Youtubes pls)

lurker of chalice is the same dude as leviathan, he is a deeply fucked up person but that record is p good yeah

Considering being a coward and sending unranked ballots

I'm almost ready to submit, but Monotony has got me thinking that I might need room for that wonderful Teedra Moses album.

track campaign: Cortney Tidwell - Don't Let Stars Keep Us Tangled Up (Ewan Pearson's Objects In Space mix)

probably the greatest thing i've ever heard

I sort of assumed everyone had heard that already? but yes extremely good

i mean me too but i can’t assume anything on ilm

Don't Let The Stars is one of the songs that I wasn't aware of until it place in the 2005-09 poll. It's gorgeous.

this is gonna be tough, i just hit 50 and i'm only at F alphabetically

Hot Chip - One Life Stand (Jan 2010 release)
Oni Ayhun - OAR004-A
Robyn - Dancing On My Own

― nashwan, Monday, September 23, 2019 5:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

all zapped

One Life Stand was released digitally in November 2009, so please unzap it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Life_Stand_(song)

unzapped!

Thanks!

i think the only version of “forever more” nominated was the remix. regardless i have no opinion about this, both approaches have their merits

one might argue that when a track is remixed, it is no longer itself. also a 'divorced' approach celebrates remixes as discrete entities, of which several are in the top 100 under their own steam! i've asked seandalai to send the version of the rundown with remixes separated and i'll make a decision based on what you all say here + my gut instinct...

no to combining remixes

Remixes separate imo

why wouldn't we combine remixes? we do during the EOY polls, and it gives a disadvantage to tracks that have a popular remix or more than one remix.

it doesn't sit entirely right with me

fyi the only changes would be cosmetic, except for one unlucky song lol, but do we not love drama here?

plead on, all sides

were that many remixes even in there? keep them separate imo

you cannot perform the same track twice but remixing is not the same as sampling, keeping the title is a choice to maintain the link the original, & it's ilx convention

Would you do the same with covers?

obviously not, but i appreciate there is a difference

anything that gives more votes to mr brightside should be nixed on principle

lol i was just jamming the thin white duke remix. anyway you're obviously wrong

Feel like if there was a rule re remixes vs originals it should have been made before voting. What’s the point of having two options in the nominations?

i never

i did make noises before voting began along the lines of 'this time i don't want to combine them' but nothing was finalised

hmmm!

covers don't usually function in the same way (never heard of a cover version included on a single) so I can't imagine it being an issue, but if there was a case where the cover version did come out immediately and was v much part of the same thing (a la mike flowers pops or frankee f u right back or whatever) and there was real split enthusiasm then sure, bundle them together. has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix? ofc no one thought you had to. splitting them serves no practical purpose other than making them less likely to show up.

i am happy to have another occasion to dunk on mr brightside

destiny is calling me

has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix?

Perhaps not but e.g. I didn't consider voting for "Everything in Its Right Place" bc the nominated track was a remix (that came out 9 years later than the original). The Aphex Twin remix of "Heroes" does work pretty differently from the original track. I can easily think of cover songs that are more faithful. It's not at all obvious to me that imago's original impulse was wrong.

the faithfulness of covers is not the issue. I think once a track is nominated you should be able to vote for whichever version you like and in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions. having the same song showing up twice would be stupid, in practice tho they're just less likely to appear

Covers are the same song but not the same track. Remixes are not necessarily either, although they do use recorded material from the original track.xp

I'm fine either way but I don't see why the rule should be changed at this point.

although I actually like "Mr. Brightside" so maybe we should combine them and give an extra vote to "Everything".

i think trying to carefully preserve the integrity of the ideal object doesn't acknowledge how music functions. all sound is queer. i want to specifically vote for a milli as played through my old desktop pc speakers

in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions.

Arghh I'm away for a congress in Edinburgh and will miss the roll-out then this week -_-

Will catch up and bombard thread afterwards.

have been sent the non-merging version. there are TWO casualties in fact. difficult decision and i have to make it now so tt has the right stats for the images...

If they are different then they are different

^^ truth

If you merge and show the breakdown then people can adjust in their heads if they feel it's an injustice? Harder to do it the other way round.

I think they should be r
counted separately, but the merge and show numbers approach is a good compromise.

OKAY

a decision has been reached, albeit a painful one

We will go by ILX convention and merge numbers

the pros very slightly outweigh the cons

believe me, I wanted to throw this convention in the trash as (having listened to one of the potential casualties) the remix was absolutely nothing like the original, but when it came down to it, the fact I hadn't specified beforehand that remixes would be counted separately was the clincher

we will hopefully begin rollouts tomorrow, with maybe even a few tonight if tt's ready...

This is news to me. I hope you all like low image resolution

just like in the noughties!

(never heard of a cover version included on a single)

I can immediately think of three examples

although I’m opposed to any Lu Contless version of Mr Brightside placing, merging and noting is the least damaging option given the lack of clarity. iirc the Friendly Fires version of Paris wasn’t nominated, so we’ll be spared that particular travesty of merging

i think trying to carefully preserve the integrity of the ideal object doesn't acknowledge how music functions. all sound is queer. i want to specifically vote for a milli as played through my old desktop pc speakers

I probably won't read an article with that title but it is possible to recognize the mutability and subjectivity of sonic experience (and to have taught remixing for a few years) and still think that remixes should be recognized as distinct pieces of work in their own right. No beef with imago's decision, though.

The problem is knowing the names of things. We make our own prisons. In Greggs I say "one of those"

Would anyone object to us doing 10 tonight and 10 tomorrow?

Sounds great! Is it still going to be albums first?

no

I didn't vote in this, just was not in touch enough with the broad spread of music in that decade, but super excited to see the results and learn!

Are We Having Fun Yet? ILM's Top 100 Tracks Of The 00's

top tracks of the '70s?

Still holding out for 20s

This is news to me. I hope you all like low image resolution

― tangenttangent, Sunday, October 13, 2019 7:06 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Please tt don't hurt 'im!

Still holding out for 20s

Bill Griffith was born in 1944

Er, just clicked on the link now and saw that that article was written by an ilxor I respect and one of whose albums I voted for. Sorry about that:(. If it helps, I was feeling annoyed by the argument on here more than anything else.

Also can I be churlish and point out that 'The Magical World of the Strands' was relaased in 1998 and definitely doesn't count here?

coulda ruled out Dead Prez for being first released in early '99 too