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The entitled thing I mean is the shot like booking an extra seat under a falw name so he didn’t have to suffer the insult of a seat mate. In first class.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link

Shit not shot

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link

I mean he was clearly gaming the system, two courts affirmed this, and now he and his family are handwringing that he was robbed of his identity, meaning of his life, etc. also he can obviously go to the Netherlands for flowers on his birthday by buying a ticket, duh. He hasn’t been banned from flying.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

finally got around to reading this and yikes

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link

the author is, of course, a tantalizing and refreshing avant garde performer of spoken word poetry who has been mesmerizing audiences for years

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link

I just feel like complaining somewhere about having been clickbaited by this.

It’s Time to Take Down the Mona Lisa in order to give it its own space

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/arts/design/mona-lisa-louvre-overcrowding.html

jmm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link

this doesn't really fit here because certainly the writer is in on the silliness

Don't Excite This Brain
By NELLIE BOWLES

SAN FRANCISCO -- Everything was going really well for the men of Tennessee Street. Women wanted to talk to them, investors wanted to invest, their new site got traffic, phones were buzzing, their Magic: The Gathering cards were appreciating. This all was exactly the problem.

They tried to tamp the pleasure. They would not eat for days (intermittent fasting). They would eschew screens (digital detox). It was not enough. Life was still so good and pleasurable.

And so they came to the root of it: dopamine, a neurotransmitter that is involved in how we feel pleasure. The three of them -- all in their mid-20s and founders of SleepWell, a sleep analysis start-up -- needed to go on a dopamine fast.

''We're addicted to dopamine,'' said James Sinka, who of the three fellows is the most exuberant about their new practice. ''And because we're getting so much of it all the time, we end up just wanting more and more, so activities that used to be pleasurable now aren't. Frequent stimulation of dopamine gets the brain's baseline higher.''

There is a growing dopamine-avoidance community in town and the concept has quickly captivated the media.

Dr. Cameron Sepah is a start-up investor, professor at UCSF Medical School and dopamine faster. He uses the fasting as a technique in clinical practice with his clients, especially, he said, tech workers and venture capitalists.

The name -- dopamine fasting -- is a bit of a misnomer. It's more of a stimulation fast. But the name works well enough, Dr. Sepah said.

''Dopamine is just a mechanism that explains how addictions can become reinforced, and makes for a catchy title,'' he wrote in an email. ''The title's not to be taken literally.''

On a recent cool morning, Mr. Sinka and his start-up co-founder Andrew Fleischer, both 24 years old, were beginning their fast while Alberto Scicali, 26, another founder, managed the start-up from his bedroom.

Mr. Sinka, who has a mop of curly hair, was wearing water shoes and a cable-knit sweater as he did light morning stretching. Mr. Fleischer was reading a book.

A dopamine fast is simple because it is basically a fast of everything.

They would not be eating. They would not look at any screens. They would not listen to music. They would not exercise. They would not touch other bodies for any reason, especially not for sex. No work. No eye contact. No talking more than absolutely necessary. A photographer could take their picture, but there could be no flash.

The number of things to not do is potentially endless.

The ultimate dopamine fast is complete sensory deprivation, like maybe floating in a dark water tank or locking oneself in a closet. But the dopamine fasters of San Francisco do hope to keep existing in the normal world.

''Any kind of fasting exists on a spectrum,'' Mr. Sinka said as he slowly moved through sun salutations, careful not to get his heart racing too much, already worried he was talking too much that morning.

Mr. Fleischer was looking through a textbook of images of chemical compounds and then writing some of them down in his notebook.

''I like to find patterns in chemical compounds, and so I'm going through my books and finding quite a few,'' he said.

That is how he would spend his morning. Later he would move outside to sit and feel the air for a while.

The three of them graduated recently from the Rochester Institute of Technology, where they met and started working together. Their start-up was going through evolutions every few months. It began as a coffee extraction company that turned into a cannabinoid extraction company (much more profitable) that turned into a cannabinoid synthesis for sleep aid that turned into, now, sleep coaching.

Their job is to put their clients in various sleep gadgetry -- the Dreem sleep headset, Oura sleep ring, Withings sleep mat -- and test interventions.

Their apartment is clean and modern with an empty wine fridge and few decorations, save for a ''Breaking Bad'' poster.

Their usual schedule of all day, every day hacking away on different projects was too much. Investors and clients had demands. Their start-up iterations had turned into a real job.

''I'd never thought about fasting work,'' Mr. Sinka said. ''Once there was pressure around work, though, it became less fun, and I thought maybe we'll try fasting work.''

Like a weekend? No, he said, they don't have time to not work for that long.

But fasting from work got them thinking more about fasting everything.

Throughout that day of their dopamine fast, they wandered slowly from room to room. They read. They put on more and more sweaters. The food fasting makes them cold. They went on walks, though these are tricky because they have to avoid needing to ask for anything like water or bathrooms.

''I avoid eye contact because I know it excites me. I avoid busy streets because they're jarring,'' Mr. Sinka said. ''I have to fight the waves of delicious foods.''

Silicon Valley is not the first group to discover that moderating emotions or spending periods trying to feel less can lead to happiness. In their quest, they are moving toward two very old groups: those in silent meditation and the Amish.

Steven Nolt, a professor at Elizabethtown College in Pennsylvania and the author of ''A History of the Amish,'' said parts of the dopamine fast do echo elements of Amish life.

''Compared with many of the rest of us, you would find Amish emotion to be more muted,'' Dr. Nolte said. ''The idea of limits on life, that there should be limits and yield signs, is a pretty central Amish assumption.''

But ultimately the Amish would not approve of the dopamine fasters.

''They don't have a great deal of confidence in individuals on their own making good decisions,'' he said.

Karen Donovan, who is developing a new Vipassana silent meditation center in Silicon Valley, said she sees this trend as moving closer to the ultimate dopamine fast: sitting on a dark floor with eyes closed for 10 days.

''There's a growing self-awareness of what in Vipassana terms we would call suffering,'' she said.

As the day wore on at Tennessee Street, Mr. Sinka, now wearing a thick vest, continued to hang out at home doing basically nothing.

''Your brain and your biology have become adapted to high levels of stimulus so our project is to reset those receptors so you're satiated again,'' he said.

Mr. Sinka returned to resting.

''Yeah, man, drop down that cortisol,'' Mr. Scicali said as encouragement.

After the fast, Mr. Sinka finds that everyday tasks are more exciting and fun. Work is pleasurable again. Food is more delicious.

''Biology can get hijacked,'' Mr. Sinka said, noting that ''early homo sapiens'' didn't have much in the way of sweets -- blueberries and the like.

Sometimes it is hard or upsetting for people who encounter the Tennessee Street men while they are fasting.

The other day, Mr. Sinka ran into an old friend but had to tell her they could not continue speaking.

''I hadn't seen her in six months, and it was extraordinarily exciting, super-stimulating, and I could feel how excited I was,'' he said. ''So I had to cut it off and I just said, 'Listen, it's not you, it's me, doing this dopamine fast.'''

ت (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 November 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link

Cool, tech bros invented the silent meditation retreat.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link

Some of them should try that thing where Buddhist monks mummified themselves while alive.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link

What is Tennessee Street referring to? Is it metonymical like Wall Street? Is it the name of a company?

mick signals, Friday, 8 November 2019 00:15 (four years ago) link

it's a street that runs through Dogpatch in SF, maybe it's where the start-up is located

Dan S, Friday, 8 November 2019 00:22 (four years ago) link

Cameron Sepah, the quack behind dopamine fasting, is currently throwing a hissy fit in the comments section here (he's "goactualize"): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21478759

Dan I., Friday, 8 November 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link

Actually, that's putting it too strongly, sorry. I got my hackles up

Dan I., Friday, 8 November 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link

he gets sonned a couple of times in there

ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link

that writer is bari weiss’ gf. speaking of being in on jokes

maura, Saturday, 9 November 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link

feel that rates a heyyooo but i'm on dopamine fast

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 9 November 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link

kidding aside this is basically just Stupid Mindfulness right?
which given that Mindfulness is already Stupid Mindfulness just ugh wash them all into the sea...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 9 November 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link

this is surely of a piece with restrictive diets/fasting, no fap, and the like as well? there's a christopher lasch style book or something here to be written about the protestant ethic (asceticism) adapting to a culture of abundance. almost a desperate attempt to rescue a sense of ego or control in the fact of the mounting evidence that we are not in control of our everyday behaviors, let alone our lives in general.

ryan, Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link

disappointing results here
https://hairshirt.com/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link

great now you've got my dopamine on overdrive

https://hairshirt.com/images/webtuxedo2.jpg

maffew12, Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Metropolitan Diary: Ticket Talk

Dear Diary:

I was trying to buy tickets to “Slave Play,” and there was a problem with completing my order online. I called an 800 number to resolve the issue.

The woman who answered was very helpful and we had a friendly, chatty exchange. Before completing the transaction she read me a warning: This play contains violence, sexual scenes, nudity, simulated sex, racism and violence.

There was a pause.

“Excellent,” I said quietly.

We both started to laugh.

— Bob Lohrmann

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Your Life or Your Livelihood: Americans Wrestle With Impossible Choice

“your money or your life” was RIGHT THERE

not really house style though i guess

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 May 2020 11:39 (three years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/realestate/a-high-end-building-that-seemed-ideal-for-young-performers.html

Their photograph takes this over the top.

Virginia Plain, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link

Are we talking like, "The Raid" or "Escape from Cell Block 99"?

Nhex, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

oops. wrong thread.

Nhex, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

maybe not

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link

so uh how is the sound deadening in new buildings like this? A baby grand ain't quiet.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 3 May 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link

professional children

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 3 May 2020 03:18 (three years ago) link

refers to being minnesotan twice in one article, that's so minnesotan

j., Sunday, 3 May 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link

twin cities iirc

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 3 May 2020 04:28 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Correction: May 13, 2020
An earlier version of this article inaccurately rendered a quote attributed to Yannick de Jager. He said the North Sea is "a fickle bitch," not "a thicker beach."

rb (soda), Monday, 18 May 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link

well, there's one way it could have been worse

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 18 May 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link

Mr. de Jager must have a hell of an accent.

rb (soda), Monday, 18 May 2020 03:54 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

wtf is wrong with bari weiss

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 June 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link

heckuva job, bennet-y

mookieproof, Friday, 5 June 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link

he's now claiming he didn't read it before it was published lol

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/style/cecil-b-demille-liquor-dusty-hunters-whiskey.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Eventually, he and a business partner, Steve Livigni, were spending 10 hours a day, every day, searching for bottles throughout California and Mexico’s Baja Peninsula. On one road trip they visited nearly every single liquor store between Detroit and L.A. “We later learned we were apparently hitting liquor stores in neighborhoods that are essentially considered war zones,” Mr. Moix said.

Though they might be sheepish to admit it, dusty hunters have long believed that the more crime-riddled the neighborhood, the more liquor stores there are with cashiers standing behind bulletproof glass, the more likely they are to find great vintage scores. Mr. Ackerman has been nearly mugged a few times and once had a sawed-off shotgun held to his head when he peeked into the back room of a Koreatown liquor store and then started rifling through boxes without permission.

📺👁️ (peace, man), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link

what does "nearly" being mugged mean?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

Shocked that this guy had an owner flip out on him when he walked uninvited into a stockroom and started rifling through bottles of liquor

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link

sounds like a real cool dude

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

A whole article about homebound CEOs learning to enjoy family dinner.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/business/family-dinner-returns.html

Astonishing

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2020 06:53 (three years ago) link

To keep her children engaged at dinner, Ms. Blakely said her family had started playing games — in one, they all strike a pose during dinner when her husband yells “Freeze!” Sometimes, they play old records and the meal turns into a spontaneous dance party around the table.

kill me

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2020 06:53 (three years ago) link

When you confuse the #mannequinchallenge with parenting

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 12 October 2020 07:50 (three years ago) link

the photos will be handy for eventual guillotine recon

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2020 08:01 (three years ago) link

The Wonder Woman and RBG art, brought in for just this casual moment... perfect.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 12 October 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link

Spanx uses sweatshop labor in Southeast Asia IIRC.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 12 October 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful

treeship., Monday, 26 October 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link

You can slice that sentence in so many ways and every one is true

the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful
the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful
the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link


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