Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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also being celebrated on the quiddities thread.

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 20 September 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link

'This story originally appeared on the digital storytelling platform Narratively.'

pomenitul, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link

yeah this article is total dogshit - there was a bit of chat about it on the quiddities & agonies of the nyt thread earlier today

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 September 2019 13:30 (four years ago) link

just incredible that a sob story about this rich asshole who abused the most environmentally-destructive form of travel is appearing on the same day the grauniad is giving blanket coverage to the climate protests

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 September 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link

lol i read quite a lot of that thinking wtf is this. a rambling plea for a stratospherically privileged father who, even on the basis of the article, via the special pleading of his journalist daughter, has clearly fraudulently abused the terms of his ticket. what an utter shitshow.

Fizzles, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link

Outrage is lucrative.

pomenitul, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link

Ty I will look in the quiddities thread!

It’s so tone deaf! Like when she talks about how there’s no difference between economy and first class, or how she was “socialised to fly first class”.

gyac, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link

That's exactly why it was published. Not quite clickbait, technically speaking, but…

Same underlying logic as this in some ways:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/20/monogamous-man-in-a-three-way-relationship

pomenitul, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

There’s even a photo of him in a rickshaw being pulled by another man :-/

Madchen, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link

Not to defend the piece - not least because it really was a ramble but it was interesting how the abuse of the ticket came this justification via depression and death. It was what kept me for a lot longer than I should have.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:54 (four years ago) link

"For 20 years, he was one of American’s top fliers, accumulating more than 30 million miles, which he acquired every time he flew, even with the AAirpass."

Does this refer to an AirMiles loyalty reward system kind of thing? Otherwise I don't understand 'which he acquired every time he flew'.

kinder, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:56 (four years ago) link

I think so because he was giving the miles to other people.

gyac, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link

It's just sad on every level, that poor airline, that poor stockbroker, so many broken lives

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 September 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link

That was confusing. Because now if you fly for free you don't accrue miles. They have a thing now where it's based on segments, dollars spent and/or qualifying miles.

Yerac, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:01 (four years ago) link

meh... I once managed to acquire a 12 month free travel Metro Card when I was working on a contract to fit LED lighting to all the bus stops in w yorkshire #kingofbusmiles

calzino, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link

Still reading but "They claimed that his “fraudulent usage” included booking empty seats for his companion feature under “Bag Rothstein” or “Steven Rothstein Jr” (which they had for years condoned, and Mom says was not Dad’s idea), as well as “booking speculative reservations” – ie, flight reservations he was allegedly never planning to actually take."

FFS!

kinder, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

I won't finish reading that, but does it explain anywhere why this retired stockbroker can't just use his fucking money to fly everywhere all the time now?

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 20 September 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link

I couldn't finish it either. It's off the chain.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link

It's the obvious question, isn't it.

kinder, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link

guardian literally ripping off youtuber content now are they

imago, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link

i.e. there was a wendover productions/half as interesting video on this very topic...yesterday? maybe a total coincidence idk

imago, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link

I think the piece was initially published on Narratively in July.

pomenitul, Friday, 20 September 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link

I finally finished this. The guy seems to always have had massive problems that money could hide. So cringey that he would call the reservations number to chat for an hour and then feel compelled to make a reservation to hide it. His entire life was so delusional, thinking you are having authentic experiences while traveling first class, staying first class and buying peoples' gratitude and adulation.

Yerac, Friday, 20 September 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link

curious as to why they are doing 21st century arts roundups in september of 2019. why now?

koogs, Friday, 20 September 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link

I thought the same!

the pinefox, Friday, 20 September 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link

They know something about the Mayans that we don't.

pomenitul, Friday, 20 September 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link

well, most of us

*knowing postapocalyptic nod*

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link

unacceptable that airlines are limiting my right to all the gold tophats tickets i might want

mark s, Friday, 20 September 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link

It would've been cheaper for American to just have hired a therapist the reservation number could've routed his calls to.

Yerac, Friday, 20 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link

how many gold tophats does it take to exceed your baggage allowance?

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link

Have you booked a free seat under the name of your fictitious son or not?

gyac, Friday, 20 September 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link

it's not hand luggage if it's on yr head tappingtemple.gif

mark s, Friday, 20 September 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link

Matt D’Ancona sacked by The Guardian, reportedly for not being sufficiently right-wing.

ShariVari, Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

announce guido

stoffle (||||||||), Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link

They'll call him back when Ruth Davidson becomes PM

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link

No really, I'd do the gig, for my usual rates.

— Guido Fawkes (@GuidoFawkes) September 22, 2019

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link

He’s like those never trumper columnists in the US. Constituencies of, at most, dozens of people but massively over represented in the op ed section of liberal papers. They allow centrists to feel warm and fuzzy about there being adults in the room on “both sides” and nothing changes. 100% fine with him being fired and replaced with someone whose views are consistent with modern mainstream conservatism (I a headbanger).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 22 September 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link

A week late, but the tale of the man with his unlimited air pass reminded me a bit of this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/sep/14/starting-a-business-has-made-me-a-lot-more-frugal

It's a piece on lawyer and campaigner Steve Wardlaw.

"I might be what some might call “wealthy” but bizarrely I’ve become a lot more frugal since starting my own business a few years ago. I’m more conscious that money has to last. I’m also trying to make sure other people are provided for. I want my nieces to go to university and the cost of that will fall to me.
...
Our Kent property is a converted oast house, which has three chimneys and looks like a cross between a hobbit house and a Disney princess’s castle. It’s lovely, you open the back door and you see nothing but fields. I bought it for £610,000 and it’s probably worth north of £1m now. We spent about £200,000 renovating it, which involved moving a few walls, adding a dog-friendly shower room, and a new staircase.
...
(My partner) also collects Doctor Who memorabilia and Egyptian artefacts. For our wedding we each bought a picture for the other – two of a set of 50 by the artists Jake and Dinos Chapman, who took a series of original Goya etchings and over-painted them to look like grotesque cartoons. My mother hates them!"

If this was the internet I would arrange the text into one of those 4Chan "Mr Bones' Wild Ride" montages with DOG-FRIENDLY SHOWER ROOM repeated several times.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link

"100% fine with him being fired and replaced with someone whose views are consistent with modern mainstream conservatism (I a headbanger)."

How is this a good thing?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link

I’m also fine with him fired and not being replaced.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 September 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link

I believe caek’s point is that replacing “moderate conservatives” who have no audience other than hate-readers with actual frothing bigots is at least honest.

El Tomboto, Monday, 23 September 2019 01:56 (four years ago) link

Right. If the token conservative is there to “represent the other side” they should at least hold the other side’s views. And the particular views dacona holds are not only representative of almost no one (and wrong), they are also especially comforting and unchallenging to centrists who don’t themselves hold these views.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 September 2019 02:39 (four years ago) link

Fair enough. I think the other side is so deranged on some issues that to even see it argued in respectable pages is to see it normalised. Ancona at least pretended to be socially liberal.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:21 (four years ago) link

Otm. Guardian is a fucking mess for even caring about publishing more right wing opinions tbh, when most right wing publications will never publish anyone left of Hugo Rifkind.

gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 22:23 (four years ago) link

the "comforting carbon monoxide leak" vibe that center right commentators give off to center left people is a huge practical problem in the US (where i live now). it's perhaps a bit less of a problem in the UK, and the danger of platforming the further right opinions might be more salient in that context.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:36 (four years ago) link

"comforting carbon monoxide leak"

^ this is in quotes because i said it. sorry i can't write.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 September 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link

the "comforting carbon monoxide leak" vibe that center right commentators give off to center left people is a huge practical problem in the US (where i live now). it's perhaps a bit less of a problem in the UK, and the danger of platforming the further right opinions might be more salient in that context.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek),

Its a big problem in UK and a major contributory factor in fracture between public and media. Over-representation of "Tory Remainers", or socially liberal / economically conservative, or whatever you call them - inverse of actual centre ground. Illusion of this group being larger than is actually the case, and having to cater to it, this

Its like the creation of a 'palatable opponent' that you can have polite disagreement with, but to what end? what is the point of this? Give us the real deal or don't bother

anvil, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHzWolWXUAIEtbp?format=jpg&name=large

gyac, Saturday, 26 October 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link

oh lord

non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 26 October 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link

I'm never more aware of my working-class origins than when I remember my mother doing a cleaning job whilst heavily pregnant and then getting very ill and having a miscarriage that nearly killed her.

calzino, Saturday, 26 October 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link


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