END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

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I thought this was a good take on the WFP kerfuffle / the Sanders/Warren conflict more generally even if I don't agree with quite all of it myself

https://theoutline.com/post/7983/wfp-endorsement-warren-sanders?zd=1&zi=gmyqldmy

lol a Sanders supporter writing this? When Sanders and Warren both have problems attracting multiracial working class votes and Biden still (for the moment) holds the support of black Americans? OK.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 17, 2019 6:50 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

The majority of Bernie's supporters are now POC

On Sanders' progress in South Carolina.

i was feeling warren but i'm pretty firmly in camp bernie now

The majority of Bernie's supporters are now POC

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive),

Under 35?

His base skews young generally

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president

I think it’s fair to assume the membership vote went for Sanders, otherwise the WFP would release it.

Sadlol.

87% to not winning a straight members vote is...I mean not impossible but seems kinda unlikely esp given the circumstances. I don't see how it's an unfair assumption at all

Do you have the results from 2015, because I'm not sure that number is verified?

And in no way is it weird that Sanders would get 87% when his only opponent was Clinton, to losing to Warren. Come on.

gonna be wild as hell if he starts winning or coming in a close second in IA, NH, & NV. i've got nothing but *my feeeeelings* to support this but i do think he'll outperform his current polling.

love feelings

from a Salon story, though they don't cite a source tbf

According to the group, Warren defeated Sanders in a vote of WFP members and leadership, earning 61% compared to Sanders’s 36%. But that verdict isn't quite as clear as it sounds. Curiously or otherwise, WFP has so far declined to provide a breakdown of the votes — as it did following the 2016 endorsement when 87% of the members voted for Sanders.

It's not strictly speaking true as far as I can see. They sent an internal email not meant for publication with that number, but that was unofficial. And in 2015, they only had a membership vote, then the board confirmed they were going to endorse Sanders. That number, 87%, is a lot similar to the 80% that apparently voted for either Warren or Sanders. And yeah, since it ended up being 36% Sanders to 61% Warren, that means the leadership clearly impacted the result. But they dragged it to the left. There's not really any reason to doubt that the membership went for Warren as well, after all, she is the more popular of the two candidates.

[citation needed]

Ferdstrik Boindexter

Bernie is thronged by students like a rockstar after his Climate Forum performance. Chris Hayes has to do a double take to remember that Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the United States of America. pic.twitter.com/fwOMJT6ejG

— Working Class 👩🏿‍🏫 👷🏼‍♀️ 👨🏻‍🍳 👨🏽‍🔧 (@net_enforcer) September 19, 2019

you love to see it

and staying on brand when fielding the toughest of questions from Kyle

.@BernieSanders weighs in on who's the GOAT, Michael Jordan or @KingJames 👀 👀 pic.twitter.com/QfNKAnj5LC

— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) September 13, 2019

Watch the town hall at Bennett College held today, if nothing else just for the opening from Nina Turner and the closing from Killer Mike, both of whom spit straight fire.

The panel they have also have Cornel West, Adolph Reed, and Danny Glover

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tW9V7eWbZbg

@BernieSanders closed out his southern college tour with a rally at Winthrop University, the third college visit of the trip, and made this pitch to young people: pic.twitter.com/AL8IIh0VNo

— Annie Grayer (@AnnieGrayerCNN) September 21, 2019

lol

lmao

great link, kingfish. I lolled at Killer Mike in the middle, and teared up at him come the end.

well if going out, watching the football game, go to the basketball games, occasionally drink a beer or two, maybe smoke something that may not be legal is cool, consider me miles davis

I wonder why bernie ppl are constantly on edge

Y’all see this? Someone is missing. pic.twitter.com/CZNAWmJhf8

— #deMOCKracy (@BernieUpstateNY) September 21, 2019

lol

What does Andrew Yang's absence from that picture have anything to do with this?

No bernie ppl are on edge, it's all russian bots and agent provocateurs.

stop posting

I wonder why bernie ppl are constantly on edge

It's difficult to say - without using the word 'paranoid'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0k1rGd5oZA

From the video description:

"The LGBTQ Presidential Forum presented by The Advocate, The Gazette, GLAAD and One Iowa is broadcast live from Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Author Marianne Williamson, former Rep. Joe Sestak, former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Cory Booker, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, Sen. Kamala Harris, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and Former HUD Secretary Julian Castro hear directly from LGBTQ voters and address the issues impacting their lives."

Yes @NateSilver538 called People of Color supporting @BernieSanders residue with great ease. Where, I say where are the folks who usually call out racism? I know where they are. No where to be found because the attack is against Berniecrats. #ResidueForBernie https://t.co/1ktALKBVON

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) September 23, 2019

Pretty pathetic that Nina Turner is lying like that. The campaign is kinda going off the rails at the moment.

His tweet did kinda refer to POCs as "residue." It was poor damn wording at the least.

Come on, Simon.

i mean can you imagine if Sanders or one of his staff had referred to the poc supporters of another candidate as "residue"?

it would be the top story on MSNBC for a week straight and Fred's diaper would be overflowing.

But he did not refer to poc supporters, that's just a straight up lie

i'm the first to admit that some of Sanders' ppl are making more of this than is actually there, but for the love of fuck let's not pretend that if it were the other way around the outrage wouldn't be twice as loud AND a national news story.

It would not. Seriously.

nah i'm right and you're wrong sorry bud

Freaking cult in here. Sorry.

can you plz get under the campaign b4 it goes off the rails, fred?

or maybe get on the rails while the train is still on them

thread sez END TO END BERNERS right at the top my danish friend

I'm gonna throw you a bone here Fred

Not sure Bernie should get credit for having more diverse support than last time given that he has far less support than last time. A lot of voters have left him. White liberals have been particularly likely to leave him (for Warren) so the residue of what's left is more diverse. https://t.co/RKXBGl6sL9

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 22, 2019

Given the chance, you sure you wouldn't reword this just a touch?

(I'm setting aside that "far less support than last time" claim seems a lil weird given that there are way more candidates this time and, if I have this right, he hit 1mil donors more quickly than last time)

https://i.imgur.com/2Ljt178.jpg

shit, I can never remember which things autoformat
https://i.imgur.com/2Ljt178.jpg

Given the chance, you sure you wouldn't reword this just a touch?

― Simon H., 24. september 2019 05:19 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

He could have said 'remnant' but his word choice is clearly not the story here. He is clearly referring to all Sanders supporters in that tweet, not POC.

(I'm setting aside that "far less support than last time" claim seems a lil weird given that there are way more candidates this time and, if I have this right, he hit 1mil donors more quickly than last time)

― Simon H., 24. september 2019 05:21 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

See, this is where it begins to seem cult-like. There's nothing weird about a data-guy like Silver saying Sanders has far less support than last time, and it's honestly just weird that you'd say so. Silver wrote those tweets after a period where Sanders lost the WFP endorsement even though he probably got 87% of membership votes last time + he just polled at 11% in Iowa. If you'd open your eyes, look at the data, instead of instinctually thinking it must all be slanted because of the impact from evil elites, the data is pretty clear: The campaign is really not going well. The data could clearly be wrong, and of course even if it was right it could all turn around, but at the moment it's not looking that well, and the last few weeks looked particularly bad. Sanders easier hitting 1mil donors doesn't mean that much, after all he could re-use the email-list he built up last time, compared to the polls and endorsements that really didn't go his way.

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