David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

Episode 6: the Paul Bateson story seemed a little thin? Doing a little reading on him--he was in The Exorcist!

I was shockingly old when I learned clemenza has a bootleg place.

John Douglas (model for Holden and bits of Tench, and co-author of the book that gives this series its name) is unconvinced they got their man in Atlanta.

Do you think the right man was caught? The Atlanta police reopened the case earlier this year.
I never thought that Wayne Williams did all of those cases. There are other cases that should not be on the list.

(adding, from wikipedia and I think from his book, that he thinks the authorities have an idea who the other killers are: "It isn't a single offender, and the truth isn't pleasant.")

Mindhunter Cast Released From Contracts as Season 3 Is Put on Indefinite Hold at Netflix

sorry to hear it, I really liked the first two seasons

boooooooooo

i say we kill them & hide the bodies

Goddamnit

Hmm, not sure this is a cancellation per se, just that Fincher wants to finish his movie about Herman Mankiewicz (which started principal photography two months ago). Not too excited about a S3 in 2021 without some/all of the leads though, if that's what this ultimately means. As long as they don't lose the reel-to-reel in the credits. That's my favourite.

luckily no big-deal movie stars in the lot, I bet it comes back cast intact in '21 or '22

And it's Fincher. I'm sure these folks can move some things around to make time for him down the line.

hope so, that second season was great

luckily no big-deal movie stars in the lot, I bet it comes back cast intact in '21 or '22

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groff is one of the stars of FROZEN and FROZEN 2 but i guess voice roles are different

he's supposedly cast in Matrix 4

as the matrix, I hope

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

I spent my 5 minutes resetting all my ilx bookmarks :-S

I've been rewatching the first season this past week. Loved this line from Shepard: "I like you, Bill. I don't particularly like him, but I like you." And later, when he disdainfully gives them their grant money, the way he says "Have a nice day."

is S2 worth watching?

Definitely.

definitely.

definitely

definitely?

maybe

When I finished the rewatch of S2, I'd forgotten what a downer it ends on. One quibble: the diminishing presence/importance of Wendy Carr the last couple of episodes.

I like her and the character a lot but I wasn't that wild about her relationship subplot. I guess it'll be Tench's turn if there's an s3.

Tench has enough family problems!

I didn't care for the relationship subplot either, primarily because it felt like a half-measure to keep her around to a degree; ultimately it went nowhere, and Wendy "seeing through" Kay felt almost cruel to me. Meanwhile, she was written out of the Atlanta murders altogether.

6 eps into s2. Tench confiding in Wendy about his son's situation and Wendy's "aww that's a tough one... just know I'm here for you" then they turn to go back into the party, joking how everyone looks bored. okayy

Finished S2E7 last night, so I haven't read through all of this thread to avoid any potential spoilers, but I'm really enjoying season 2 and thought it was marginally better than S1 - I didn't think I'd want it to stop being a chat 'em up show, but I do enjoy how they've handled Atlanta so far and keeping the multiple balls in the air. Gotta say that Anna Torv is really boring me this season though, with such a potentially great storyline I'm surprised how often the scenes of her personal life bore me. I really liked her in Fringe and was hoping for better, I guess.

Catching up on a few things:
1. I'm guessing they didn't mention Leslie Van Houten because they were so explicitly focused on male perpetrators. I mean, the whole theme of season 1 was white male sexual violence against women, so I totally buy them viewing Van Houten as completely unnecessary to their study.

2. Really disappointed to see the news about S3 being unlikely. Hope they come back when Fincher's schedule opens up more.

I liked S2 a lot--but I agree they lost Carr's character as the season progressed.

We're 3 episodes into Season 2 and I am enjoying it so far, about on par with last season, but the Atlanta scenes with Holden and the African-American women were terrible.

I am confused about what year Season 2 is supposed to be taking place in? I thought Season 1 was like 81 maybe, which would put this Season like 82, but then I thought I heard a reference to it being 12 years since BTK's first killing in 1974, which would make it 1986. The show does not look or feel like 86, at all.

The Atlanta murders were '79-81.

I think the first season is more like '77 or '78, especially based on the soundtrack.

I know when the child murders were; I remember watching reports on them during the national evening news every night for a while in elementary school. It just didn't seem to add up with some of the other elements.

Season 2 wasn't as good as the first one, but I'm annoyed we apparently won't be getting any more due to Fincher's ADD

My wife is highly skeptical of the Carr character and how she is presented professionally and personally in the era.

oh I vastly preferred s2 to s1, but the Carr stuff was the lowlight for sure

It doesn't bother me that much, but she brings it up almost every scene she is in.

second she = carr; I'm not married to anna torv

useless trivia I picked up today re Anna Torv

"Her paternal aunt is writer Anna Murdoch Mann, who was married for 31 years to media mogul Rupert Murdoch."

The scene where they pick up the plumber for masturbating in the woods is lol.

I just started watching this ... after watching 10 seasons of Criminal Minds lol ...

I didn't read the entire thread because *spoilers* but ... did anyone else notice that Holden was the one main character whose wardrobe didn't look "period"? Like, his suits seemed of a different era, whereas all the other costuming was "what people think of when they think late 70s" based on age/identity / occupation, etc.

I also felt like this was clearly written by a guy / someone sympathetic to the Holden character, because I was watching all these episodes thinking, "what the fuck does Debbie see in this dude? She's smart, cool and interesting and could do so much better." ... I was relieved when she took an interest in the classmate, rather than have her become like the stock character wife/gf of the detective.

I *definitely* think John Douglas had a hand in modelling the character of Holden on how he saw himself

including being somewhat old-fasioned

one reason s2 is better is because it lets Holden be more wrong and useless more often

aha! It's interesting watching this historical re-creation of BAU and terminology vs. the "young Mandy Patinkin and young Joe Mantegna" scenes from Criminal Minds haha

yeah Douglas i think consulted on Criminal Minds early on too iirc with a couple of others, but he def had more solo creative input in Mindhunter, or at least the willing ear of a writer or two & that def shows here imo

I feel like I heard Holden refer to a killer as an "unsub" once in an episode but maybe I misheard.

Debbie needling/mocking Holden was one of the highlights of S1 (and she was the biggest absence of the otherwise very good S2).

Mindhunter s3 (and onwards) looking increasingly unlikely according to Fincher in this new interview

https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/mindhunter-season-three-not-happening.html