PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

as reggie perrin said: always go forward and never turn back

troops... was thinking this morning I’m really looking forward to the wailing and gnashing of teeth when labour get into government

also I can understand why JC will stay neutral in referendum 2 - makes political sense and won’t mean it becomes a confidence issue - but do think it’s an unfortunate outcome for remain’s chances. he has a constituency in the country, a message on the EU (“7/10”) that resonates with many and he is an effective campaigner - he will be a genuine loss imo

They look like a herd of sheep in a One Man and is Dog competition xp

My abiding nightmare is that he wins largest party and arseholes in the PLP decide via WhatsApp to VONC him after a Queen’s Speech.

xxp he is not going to stay neutral, the party will. He and McDonnell and Abbott and Starmer will be campaigning for Remain.

If he wins the seats I don't think they'd have the guts to go after him but I guess there will always be a little worry, they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer

A lot of the worse labour MPs have either gone or intend to stand down. Actually tons of MPs have already said they’re not standing next time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_United_Kingdom_general_election

I missed it yesterday, but Joan Ryan has announced she will not stand in the next election. That leaves Soubs, Gapes, Leslie and Coffey still plugging along. (Also, omg, their Wikipedia page lists Chris Leslie as deputy leader!)

STATEMENT FROM JOAN RYAN MP – THREAD: It’s been a huge privilege & honour to serve as the MP for Enfield North. (1/8) pic.twitter.com/mTYT4YMArZ

— Joan Ryan MP (@joanryanEnfield) September 16, 2019

Anyway another leadership challenge - the NEC isn’t going to deny Corbyn a spot on the ballot and if he’s actually become PM I can’t see the membership voting for someone else.

I find this a strange line of argument. Ireland immediately acquiesced to the troika's demands. This had to do with a very characteristically irish collective self-flagellation that seemed born of the fact that we had lost the run of ourselves during the boom. By attempting to push back against ECB orthodoxy, Greece made it visible whereas in Ireland it was presented as entirely inevitable. In either case the outcome is the same but the Greek pushback animates the political aspect of it whereas in the case of Ireland it was allowed to masquerade as an entirely technical or procedural set of decisions, outside the scope of democratic challenge.

To explain my argument: Greece pushing back against EU orders means that its catastrophic financial situation can be attributed to the country's own govt (if you're so ideologically inclined); the consequences of austerity in countries where govts eagerly followed the troika's advice cannot be spun as that and as such are better examples of how destructive troika intervention has been.

Like, I have family in Germany and at the height of the eurozone crisis Greece was all they were talking about while they were hardly even aware that Portugal was in crisis. Partially that's down to Greece's situation being more dramatic, sure, but I also think the fact that Greece pushed back while Portugal was being a Good Student meant that it was less in mainstream German media's interests to point out how badly things were going there.

I would disagree to the extent that the Greek crisis was accompanied by a loss of faith in European benevolence and an explicit undermining of Greek democratic institutions. By going along with it, other countries did get to escape this and the continued popularity of EU in Ireland is I think partly testament to this

I'm not sure if I'm understanding the full legalese but isn't the gov's lawyer arguing that Johnson might have prorogued for his own nefarious ends but that's fine because that's up to the government and boo ya sux?

If this is the case whu didn't Johnson just say that in rhe first place instead of bullshiting...oh, wait yeah, answered my own question there.

That's exactly what he's doing and that's why they won the case in the English courts.

I had to read about where this “crombyn will be neutral in a second ref!!!1” shite came from and, what a surprise, it’s yet more shithousery from the worst morons in the country.

Those same ppl would hate on him if he joined them on the campaign anyway.

Meanwhile:

‘Boris Johnson meets the electorate’ continues to go well. pic.twitter.com/QVlzFTncjx

— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) September 18, 2019

if only there was a neat catchphrase that would sum up my feelings towards these videos

was the guardian just making stuff up ? I haven’t read JC’s article yet - just their reporting on it

sad news everybody

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2019/09/18/watson-takes-aim-at-labours-hard-left-factions-as-he-is-re-selected-in-west-bromwich-east/

don't really expect any better from the denizens of West Bromwich i guess

xp no it’s in his own words - but since Cromblyn has previously said “I will vote and campaign for remain” several times, this article is clearly a reversal of this position because it doesn’t reiterate this 50 times and it’s not decorated with EU flag emojis

This is good

John McDonnell backs 'Abolish Eton' debate at Labour conference https://t.co/v1Ft2W33sH

— The Guardian (@guardian) September 18, 2019

guy in the pub, probably old school Labour, pretty reactionary, very Brexity, was praising the plans for private schools at the weekend. next election is gonna be complicated

i look forward to seeing some piss-funny articles from Spectator hacks about how public schools serve social mobility, actually

hard lol at mumbling low-energy boris protesting that there are no cameras here right in front of the cameras

xp Brendan O'Neill's hot take coming any minute now

He was speaking Latin, you see.

2xp

Err 1xp

plenty of time left to get your head around this boris, no rush

Boris Johnson expressed surprise to his advisers during lunch with Jean-Claude Juncker as he was informed about the scale of checks still needed on the island of Ireland under his alternative plan for the Irish border, according to EU sources.

The two-hour lunch in Luxembourg was said by both sides to have been “positive” but EU officials conceded the advantage for them had been in being able to spell out the problems directly to the prime minister. “It seems to have helped the penny drop,” said one diplomatic source.

During talks with Juncker and the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, the prime minister was shown in detail how allowing Northern Ireland to stick to common EU rules on food and livestock, known as sanitary and phytosanitary measures (SPS), would still fail to avoid checks on the vast majority of goods that cross the Irish border.

but the high tech solutions?

Don't let the act full you, in reality he is hyper intelligent.

feigning surprise and playing dumb probably is part of his sneaky as fuck MO

stupid person pretending to be a genius pretending to be a stupid person

Re that clip posted upthread

The parent of a sick child claimed the NHS was being destroyed as he challenged Boris Johnson during a hospital visit. As the Press Association reports, Johnson was confronted by the angry parent, who claimed there were not enough doctors and nurses. In a conversation lasting around two minutes, the man said the situation was “not acceptable”. Johnson was visiting Whipps Cross university hospital in north-east London when he was challenged by the parent on a children’s ward. The parent said the situation was “not acceptable” and told the prime minister:
There are not enough people on this ward, there are not enough doctors, there’s not enough nurses, it’s not well organised enough. The NHS has been destroyed … and now you come here for a press opportunity.”

Johnson said: “There’s no press here” but the parent gestured to cameras filming the confrontation, and said: “What do you mean there’s no press here, who are these people?”

Nice.

Good stuff.

genuine hero, that guy

he's going have to learn to be more low key in his campaigning photo ops like May was. It's becoming quite obvious that vast swathes of the UK electorate/gbp (well Morley, Doncaster, Wakefield, NE London so far) fucking despise the cunt and his party.

tbf the NHS was being destroyed well before the Tories/austerity took over

my wife was in that same hospital with TB in 2008, it was shit then too. no nurses then either. she used to take her own drips out when they were done because no nurses would come if she pressed the buzzer. New Labour played their part in this

although as I've gone into in far too much detail elsewhere, the NHS is a complete disaster area nowadays, literally every part of it is fucked, at least where I live

good thing we can use that weekly £350m we'll be saving from the eu to give us the health service we deserve post-brexit

What a cool and normal thing to say (now deleted)

For posterity’s sake. pic.twitter.com/eD2vSluore

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) September 18, 2019

at the weekend I was chatting to a friend who's gone from working for a charity that won govt contracts for health/social work to working directly for the NHS and she cannot believe how slow and useless everything is and is going to leave in a few months when her contract's up. hard to know where to start

Would say NHS major problems date back to creation of internal market in 1990, though ofc blair did nothing to reverse the slide

It's great that after a decade of this shit it is getting extremely difficult for a Con leader to turn up anywhere without getting yelled at by angry citizens. McD got into trouble for saying he wanted it to be difficult for these cunts to walk the streets for their crimes against the people - it took long enough but it's happening!

the people's champion mcd vindicated yet again

according to D Edgerton, Blair accelerated the PFIing of NHS to levels that Major thought would get a Conservative government into deep trouble with the electorate.

The gutter press have doxxed the Boris heckler.

of course they have

say what you like about the heckler but at least we know for sure how many kids he's got, unlike the fucking prime minister

in a sense we are all his kids

and he's dropping us all off at the pool