The Irish

hilarious guys

ye might quit tittering at the back there and realise that this is very common in my country, to allocate a secondary family name across the surname to differentiate from other cadet branches of a clan who may be particularly thickly laid out in any given area

in kerry youd get a differentiating string of grandparent names, so that a thos. o'sullivan would be known locally as tommy-paddy-mary, no surname required at all

midwest there's nothing unusual about hearing an entire unit as the rowty-kilbanes or the pheggy-kilbanes

its the latter usage here, and all youre seeing is the truncated identification utilising an honoured tradition, most likely its just john o'donnell, of the useless cunt o'donnells, postman would know him as johnny useless cunt and the barman/undertaker wouldnt know him at all unless you asked for john-mhaire-tim-bán.

the taxman has never heard of him

Otm. This is why we’ve never needed postcodes!

sher if we'd a had postcodes the brits woulda found us

Countries very much in character

The Hail Mary has been voted Ireland's favourite prayer at the National Ploughing Championships https://t.co/QrlsCurn2Z

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) September 19, 2019

confiteor topped the sight and sound poll but you can't put the culture into culchie

(xp) Came here to post that!

I can understand the logic - it’s the fastest & even more so in Irish

"Sure lookit" is hard to define exactly but "that's disappointing and you're not wrong but even though the world isn't fair and we don't always get our way, there are still good options and you have very good friends who like you" isn't too far off.

— Darach (@darachos) September 28, 2019

lishen dye think that the brits even understand whats being said here

See also “ah sure you know yourself”

this is it

just

sure

on its own tbh

when u grab yr knees the cup of tea before you leave

sure it is what it is

Ah

V excited for the Irish that they are getting represented in a major motion picture soon

sure to be a contender for the foreign language film oscar this year

arah shtop now, shtop

pity about you

and

what av ut

are underrated responses that offer the target the opportunity of perhaps considering their complaint (and possibly their own part in it) in a more universal context and if im honest the world'd be a better place if they were deployed and hit home a bit more

obsessed with this clip

And here it is in all its glory, with added “people who wish to remain British, can be returned back to the mainland” - like an ASOS delivery with the wrong address 😂😂 pic.twitter.com/hD5ezTYL3D

— Niall McGarry (@MrNiallMcGarry) October 4, 2019

No longer shocked to hear this kind of bullshit on telly/radio/the street anymore. The absolute state.

the vibes off him

he was beating his latvian missus around upstairs poolrooms in the late 90s for sure

Felt a bit teary at this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGgii3xXUAAhv2O?format=jpg&name=large

But not the first time they’ve expressed solidarity
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Thread about the fucking disgraceful judgement today & thoughts on how Irish citizenship law works

Today's DeSouza judgment means people will be talking about Ireland's citizenship law & comparing it to UK's. Should we trust UK to adopt Ireland's legal approach or does UK's xenophobia make that a threat. Thread 1/

— Simon Cox (@SimonFRCox) October 14, 2019

#Brexit on 31 October a 'priority' for British government, says Britain’s Queen Elizabeth

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) October 14, 2019

Continuing my latest spate of posting to myself about citizenship issues

Irish/Polish lesbian couple literally unable to return to Ireland because their 15mo daughter is stateless: https://t.co/qQBLSRA7W2

— mary mac (@marykmac) October 14, 2019

They say sections two and three of the Children and Family Relationships Bill, which deals with donor-assisted reproduction, should be amended so all children born through IVF outside the State qualify for Irish citizenship. While the Bill was passed through the Oireachtas prior to the same-sex marriage referendum in 2015, parts two and three of the act have not yet been enacted.

“The Irish public believes all gay people have the same rights as straight people now, but we don’t,” Ms Deevy told The Irish Times by phone. “Nobody asks any questions to straight couples when their children are born abroad to an anonymous donor.”

Asked to comment on the couple’s situation, a department of health spokesman referred the query to the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA). A DFA spokeswoman said a person born outside the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen if born to an Irish-born, Irish citizen parent. As per the 1956 act, the State recognises the mother as the person who gave birth to the child, she said. The Department of Justice said it could not comment on individual cases.

Today I have dispatched the last piece of paper required before I can be pronounced Irish and the £6.20 it cost me to send it will be the best £6.20 I’ve ever spent.

I AM COMING HOME IRELAND!

(Thank you grandma who died 2 months before I was born. THANK YOU)

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) October 14, 2019

And here I was, thinking the child's best interests mattered above all.

Not posting to yourself, I'm seething too even if I don't post here often enough.

Yeah I take you & deems as given, I’ve long given up expectation non-Irish people give a fuck. Don’t think I got a single response in the UK politics thread about de Souza case.

I'm reading but don't think I have any opinions of worth tbh

I thought I'd posted something about EDS there but it might have been one of the many things I type and then don't post.

It is totally
- depressing how ready the UK govt apparently is to shred the GFA
- depressing that NI citizens will have different sets of rights depending on which citizenship they have
- depressing and weird that you get more rights by renouncing one citizenship than having dual citizenship (ironic that you now have more rights as a self-declared Irish citizen in NI, if it wasn't actual people's lives being played with it would be almost funny after all those years of gerrymandering and weird inheritance rules and so on)
- bad that you have to pay and sign something to affirm that you are a British citizen but don't want to be any more, rather than just, you know, affirming your right never to have been one...

...but I think De Souza also says that even having to sign something to the effect of the latter would be too much. Initially this seems fair -- why should you have to? especially for something as useful and fundamental as being able to have your spouse move over, rather than just a political statement -- but I had been wondering about something asked (not answered) in one of the replies on that Twitter thread, viz: if you aren't automatically regarded as a British citizen, and the UK govt (+ the "largest political party of the largest political designation" in the non-existent-for-1001-days Stormont assembly etc etc) would surely not think NI residents were Irish by default, would everyone in NI be stateless until such point as they apply for a passport? That can't be the case (or bad side-effects ahoy, I would've thought!), but is there any other way to provide this default neutrality?

This is probably a v dumb and naive reading of things though, please do take me apart - gently (mentally in Hedonism Bot voice thanks to bg's cat)

also sorry about the lesbian couple with stateless IVF baby thing, hadn't read about that, that is some bullshit

and sorry I don't know enough to have thoughts on the referendum re birthright citizenship but people smarter than me say removing that right was also some bullshit, so I'm going to go with assuming it probably is at least until I've bothered to read up on it (thoughts and good articles welcome, especially if the articles are brief, I'm afraid)

...That was a long post and on reflection I think the point is it should never have mattered and would never really have mattered if we weren't leaving the EU and limiting immigration rights, and in so doing limiting actual life options invoked by otherwise philosophical questions of identity

the interestingness (or not) of the philosophical point should be secondary to "just don't do the thing that makes it not purely a theoretical exercise" and I regret crashing in with sophist queries

tl;dr: this was all very delicately balanced by people who thought hard about it and worked hard to bring it together, and it's fucking reckless of the Tories/us Brits (sorry) to start taking chunks out of the structure apparently without any thought at all

Is thinking we should restrict jus sanguinis to parents only my most reactionary opinion? maybe!

Fellow Brits, stop tracing your ancestry back to some distant Irish relative and applying for Irish passports. Some of you have no shame.

— jenn (@ScottishJenn_) October 16, 2019

But, if you understood that shared history folks are always going on about, you'd get how Brits grabbing an Irish passport and not contributing back, well, that kinda leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Especially when they go get into fights with people who actually live here.

— Eilís Ní Fhlannagáin 🏳️‍🌈 🏴‍☠️ 🇮🇪 (@dirtycitybird) October 16, 2019

it boils the piss a bit when you see that emma kennedy example for instance where she is making light of the paucity of connection to ireland (although i am reading it that way because a) i dislike emma kennedy and b) it's one solitary tweet and it gives me no indication of her connection or not to irishness, her family may have been quite self-consciously irish, who knows).

the emma de souza situation is shitty for her but i can't help but feel big picture about that situation (reunification will sort it).

and the uk government are always going to be bad bastards regarding immigration and citizenship

it boils the piss a bit when you see that emma kennedy example for instance where she is making light of the paucity of connection to ireland (although i am reading it that way because a) i dislike emma kennedy and b) it's one solitary tweet and it gives me no indication of her connection or not to irishness, her family may have been quite self-consciously irish, who knows).

If I didn’t know my Irish passport was coming I would be feeling furious that my long held desire to live in Italy when I retire had been scuppered.

I HATE the loss of FoM. HATE it.

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) January 31, 2019

@katoi I’ve already started the paperwork to become an Irish citizen. No way do I want to be outside of the EU.

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) June 26, 2016

Joy. Just discovered I can apply for Irish citizenship. #iameuropean

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) June 25, 2016

Tomorrow I go to Ireland for the very first time. In 1938 my Irish Catholic grandmother came to London and met and married a Protestant

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) September 27, 2013

and the uk government are always going to be bad bastards regarding immigration and citizenship

i bet you can't wait for the Emma Kennedy selfies on Ballybunion beach #whoneedsNewquay

I imagine she mentions her granny being a Catholic to let any Irish people know that she is one of them, in more ways than one. Should I know ho Emma Kennedy is? I keep getting her mixed up with Sarah Kennedy from Beadle's About or whatever that programme was.

Game For A Laugh is what you mean Tom!

http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/thumb/5/57/Gameforalaugh_cast.jpg/400px-Gameforalaugh_cast.jpg

that sarah kennedy

Let's have a big hand for Jeremy Beadle. I've noticed Emma Kennedy was born in Corby, so she should be able to claim Scottish citizenship when Scotland becomes independent.

for some reason I have this indelible image in my mind of Sarah Kennedy's face crudely cut and pasted inside a christmas tree bauble on the front of the godawful Eagle comic in early 1980 something

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vFMAAOSwBt5ZFb-I/s-l1600.jpg

definitely not how i remembered it, must be something else I'm thinking of

but she's down with the mekon.

sorry not about not Irish content, but my gran is from kerry!

Also there is an Irishman there.

Henry Kelly is totes on-topic for this thread

After graduating from University College Dublin with a degree in English in 1968, he became journalist with The Irish Times, and was swiftly promoted to the post of its Belfast-based Northern Editor in 1970, at the start of civil unrest and The Troubles in Northern Ireland, a post which he held for five years. During his time in Ulster he published the book How Stormont Fell (1972), which is still highly regarded in its field

hmm 2 stars on goodreads 1 vote, nary a mention on amazon reviews even or nowhere else.. cracking work on your own wiki entry though henry.