xxxxp I mean, this is probably as good a time as any to mention that we're moving up next year.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:18 (four years ago) link
I've yet to see much of a case made for the EU per se as bringer of peace, altho I know of argts against this view. the clear main cause of recent relative european peace (still ~150k deaths) is the second world war, which is also the clear main cause of the EU. beyond being a focus and ideal of peace & reconstruction, the main claims made abt the EU as an actual driver of peace were w/ the initial forming of the european coal & steel community, on the basis that these were the two essential commodities for warfare (but no suggestion of what this might have actually thwarted), and the more general argument about economic prosperity ensuring peace, which has more truth to it but no one really says about any other economic institution (and we're p rich now as it's starting to creak). NATO seems a more obvious candidate for peacekeeper.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:20 (four years ago) link
From Patrick Maguire’s NS Mail this morning:
What should we expect to hear in Jo Swinson's first leader's speech to Liberal Democrat conference? In short, that she doesn't like Brexit, that she doesn't Boris Johnson, that she doesn't like Jeremy Corbyn, that she doesn't like Nigel Farage, that she doesn't like the SNP, and that she wants to be prime minister.That's the overriding theme of the extracts trailed ahead of her star turn in Bournemouth this afternoon, and no wonder: Swinson really doesn't like any of those things - not least Corbyn, who she will effectively blame for Brexit this afternoon - and neither do the voters in the predominantly Conservative seats her party will have designs on come a general election.
That's the overriding theme of the extracts trailed ahead of her star turn in Bournemouth this afternoon, and no wonder: Swinson really doesn't like any of those things - not least Corbyn, who she will effectively blame for Brexit this afternoon - and neither do the voters in the predominantly Conservative seats her party will have designs on come a general election.
In the week David Cameron’s memoirs will say Brexit is his fault, and that his government should’ve gone in harder with austerity cuts, she wants to blame Brexit on the person who is the reason we haven’t left the EU yet?
― coup de twat (suzy), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link
My understanding is that the integration of the steel industry in Europe would make it impossible for one European nation to remobilize their military on the scale needed for European war without other European nations being implicated. This was intended in particular to keep France and Germany in line. It did not prevent French colonial war, but that was never on the scale needed to, say, invade Germany.
Differing attitudes between the UK and the core EEC nations on debt were what led de Gaulle to oppose the UK's admission to the EEC iirc.
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:24 (four years ago) link
that's the claim, but 1. all big european wars have had multiple european nations implicated on each side and 2. there's not much reason to think there would have been a big war without it
the state aid rules seem ungood and also to be getting worse w/ the likes of this fourth rail package, which if it had been cooked up by tories wld be dubbed the dismantling of publicly-owned railways and privatisation by stealth
― ogmor, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:27 (four years ago) link
Ok, it's 6:00am and I am checking this isn't a jokeThe FT L: #Yellowhammer only reported mild(ish) disruption because vast numbers of cars etc would be turned away for lack of documentationhttps://t.co/onMZw8tsA4And the queues might be 150KM LONG... from Dover to GUILDFORD pic.twitter.com/OvmnP4qYvS— Giles Wilkes (@Gilesyb) September 17, 2019
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:28 (four years ago) link
but our soverignty tho
― don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:36 (four years ago) link
Georges Bataille: 'Sovereignty is NOTHING.'
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:39 (four years ago) link
Daniel - Greece had its elected government fucked over by the EU and it was the biggest example. Yes I know it was all linked with much of southern Europe.
Yeah, well, the fact that Greece was a) the most dramatic example and therefore b) the one where the EU acted the harshest imo makes it the least representative of how the EU actually operates and as such looking at how things went down in states where its pressures were more subtle and/or propped up by compliant govts (or, in Portugal's case, wanting to "go further" than what the troika was suggesting) makes a much stronger case for euroskeptics.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:39 (four years ago) link
she doesn't like the SNP
They're having her seat at the next election, so you bet she doesn't.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:46 (four years ago) link
I love talking about Greece, projection of bovine victimhood or gtfo xp
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link
The EU may have done bad things to various countries.
Has it done anything bad to the UK?
Not that I can think of.
[belongs on another thread]
As usual, on politics, I agree with Suzy.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:51 (four years ago) link
xxp what happens if/when Swinson loses her seat? Do they make someone in a safe seat resign and parachute her in?
― calzino, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:52 (four years ago) link
It's only the Lib Dems, they go through leaders like Watford go through managers.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:54 (four years ago) link
cheers guys i've just gone in studs up on Andrew Hickey
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 09:58 (four years ago) link
xpsorry I forgot to add i meant this scenario to be after the Libdems have gained 200+ seats and pm elect Swinson loses her seat, and I'm getting into my flying limousine that is made out of chocolate.
― calzino, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:00 (four years ago) link
Lord Pannick
chefskiss.jpg
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:00 (four years ago) link
oh and pom quoted Bataille one quite literally LOVES to see it
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:02 (four years ago) link
So Clegg's coming back?
― nashwan, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:04 (four years ago) link
oh and i thought calz wrote "flying guillotine" so i'm just off to watch One Armed Boxer 2, see youse in a bit
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:04 (four years ago) link
^^ :) It has been nicely keeping me from work for 15 mins now, reading on sovereignty and sin etc.
xp to nv
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:04 (four years ago) link
Bataille is probably my favourite mentalist, close run between him and Ezra Pound
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:08 (four years ago) link
For some extra poststructuralist (if this anglocentric term is to be maintained) fun, Derrida's The Beast and the Sovereign seminar is also very much worth delving into, even if you're averse to his usual, nearly untranslatable style. He did not lecture quite as he wrote.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link
and i'm pretty sure both them cunts would have been FBPE
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link
lol
The relevantly christened Pound would've repped for Tommy Robinson.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:11 (four years ago) link
hey, he was a frothing antisemite but he was the PEOPLE's frothing antisemite
and at least he wasn't some bank manager looking motherfucking like his compadre Thomas Stearns
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link
troops
balloon balloon balloon balloon balloon
― prorogue mahone (||||||||), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:14 (four years ago) link
in today's Tories Aren't Bad People They Just Make Mistakes news, liz truss apologises for illegally selling arms to saudi arabia in a classic relatable blunder. “The Government Legal Department has today informed the Court of Appeal of two inadvertent breaches. I have apologised to the Court unreservedly for the error in granting these two licences.”
figure in this article for £5.3 billion in UK arms sales to SA since the war in yemen started in 2015
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/saudi-arabia-yemen-war-uk-weapon-exports-court-liz-truss-a9107916.html
― ogmor, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:14 (four years ago) link
You mentioning Bataille lead me to this charmingly '97-styled site, which should keep me busy for some time.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:14 (four years ago) link
everybody needs to read The Accursed Share altho i take no responsibility for the consequences
SOLAR ANUS
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:16 (four years ago) link
Swinson seems almost entirely tactical with no strategic sense whatsoever. Either that or she's deluded enough to believe she could actually become PM.
― gyac, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:18 (four years ago) link
That site is a proper madeleine, LBI!
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:19 (four years ago) link
N'est-ce pas?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:22 (four years ago) link
le bataille eve
― provisional ilx (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:27 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:28 (four years ago) link
personally i would like to go with
There are the Alps. What is there to say about them?They don't make sense. Fatal glaciers, crags cranks climb,jumbled boulder and weed, pasture and boulder, scree,et l'on entend, maybe, le refrain joyeux et leger.Who knows what the ice will have scraped on the rock it is smoothing?There they are, you will have to go a long way roundif you want to avoid them.It takes some getting used to. There are the Alps,fools! Sit down and wait for them to crumble!
There they are, you will have to go a long way roundif you want to avoid them.It takes some getting used to. There are the Alps,fools! Sit down and wait for them to crumble!
but hey nonny nonny
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:31 (four years ago) link
<3 BB
I'm in the dark as to his politics, though.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:35 (four years ago) link
he was a Quaker, i've always assumed he was a lot less fascist than EP but he was an uber-modernist and that did do funny things to peoples' brains
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:36 (four years ago) link
talking of EP tho the Canto where Churchill eats shit in hell is top fucking level
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:38 (four years ago) link
Calling him, Roosevelt and Eden 'bastards and small Jews' kind of offsets the jouissance of digging into them tho.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:40 (four years ago) link
yeah i know he makes me v sad :(
not really cool with his anti-Taoism either
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:41 (four years ago) link
At least he was no Steve Bannon.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:43 (four years ago) link
its taoi-seach
― provisional ilx (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:44 (four years ago) link
i can't do the "ccccchhhhhhhhhh" sound and i'm a smoker so
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:46 (four years ago) link
There's not some endles guttural drag. It's just a k sound but you don't fully close your tongue to the roof of your mouth and let a little air through
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:49 (four years ago) link
It shouldn't be full of hoarded phlegm
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:50 (four years ago) link
https://guernseydonkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Thumbs_Up_Skin-Color.png
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:52 (four years ago) link
xp I resent this implication
― gyac, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:55 (four years ago) link
This is a general rule of thumb for pronouncing Irish. When there's a "h" after a consonant you leave a gap between the parts of your mouth that would ordinarily make the sound. Instead of bringing your lips together to make an "m" sound you leave a gap and get a "w" sound for "mh"
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
That's pretty much the mystery of the wacky "b=v ?" Thing that people freak out about
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:58 (four years ago) link