PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

shoulda gotten em the way your people got the czechs in 68 right xp

I thought you were going to bring up 1956 lol.

lol, cool as long as black and brown migrants are locked out and that is the liberal way *hums tune to the 9th symphony*

i regret to inform you that laura kuenssberg is back on her bullshit

Source says No 10 asked for press conference inside so that the two leaders could be heard over the small but very noisy protest, but request was rejected and insisted on having it outside with the 2 podiums

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) September 16, 2019

Whatever side you are on, having been outside the presser that never happened, it would have been total pandemonium if it had gone ahead - protesters were shouting and chanting as loudly as they could within metres of the podiums

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) September 16, 2019

EU countries have done jack shit for Syrian refugees, as is well known. I'm sure the UK would have saved them all had Article 50 been triggered sooner.

xp

Brexit is gonna be so great for migrants to get to go to the UK

Tbh xyzzy and I say this from a place of love but we're all far more in agreement than not today and painting pom as some hawkish neolib is deeply fucking unjust

xxxp

if he doesn't like noisy protesters gl when he hits the north on the election campaign again, he'll have to keep it to managed appearances in front of friends, family and party activists. oops I forgot his own family hates him as well.

if ye hadnt chased away actual diversity of opinion ye wouldnt have to pretend pom was it in order to show off yr legit outrage credentials folx x

far more in agreement than not today

Not just today tbh (thanks btw).

NV - its pom that's saying 'Orban is King too fucking bad' and 'Greece had it coming' not me. He isn't a hawkish neolib but the guy makes a lot of excuses for whatever the EU is doing. I say why not go the way of sanctions/try something anything and he and his joker buddy Euler bring up fucking Hungary '56 lol.

I don't think its unjust to at least call out some of this nonsense.

Orban is King too fucking bad

Yes, this is exactly what I've been saying. I've also made it perfectly clear that I'm opposed to any sanctions.

I recant. The EU is bad and totally on board with Orban, and Greece did nothing wrong, .

I don't know enough to say, gyac. Got any reading material for me?

Yes, this is exactly what I've been saying. I've also made it perfectly clear that I'm opposed to any sanctions.

― pomenitul, Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

This is what you said:

Eastern Europe in particular – and as a whole – is utterly unwilling to compromise on this point, and very little can be done to coerce them, which is a sad example of the EU's limited powers.

Not even cuts in EU grants? Maybe not sanctions but not being able to trade under single market rules. Its not true there isn't nothing.

Did you read my next post? mark s was right.

I'd be all too happy if Hungary bailed the fuck out of the EU or were forced out. Poland vowed to veto any sanctions so they can go fuck themselves as well.

And you saw the article that LBI linked to upthread, right? There have been attempts, they're just pathetically halfhearted.

You only said that after I pushed you.

I saw the LBI article and did comment on it.

So you read my post bemoaning how little the EU can do against Hungary, whose position on immigration is in fact equivalent to that of its Eastern European neighbours (not to mention, increasingly, that of Western Europeans as well) and hence difficult to sanction outright and you came to the conclusion that I am quite simply opposed to punitive measures?

Please stop engaging with xyzzzz__ - there is nothing in it for anyone.

pom, I know it seems weird, but you have to remember: He is a complete moron. The blocker works beautifully.

I've vowed not to block anyone. Besides, he can be a good poster when he isn't picking on his fellow ILXor, especially when discussing non-political topics.

Pom - when you say there is very little we can do about a specific member I am arguing back to say that isn't even true - and I cite the example of Greece (and other Euro countries too, but to a lesser extent) during the financial crisis. So if punitive measures were handed to Greece why not Hungary? Stop trying to cover up for this basket case. I don't support Brexit but yes the UK under Labour left government needs to be left alone to pursue its agenda (all speculation as the likelihood of Labour winning outright aside) because we have been a high-level of intervention from the EU in the last few years.

I am not picking on you, but on some of the content of your posts :)

So if punitive measures were handed to Greece why not Hungary?

Because it's not just about Hungary, it's about Poland as well. And other Eastern European countries, not to mention Austria and Italy – first and foremost – then other Western EU members that are increasingly opposed to immigration but that don't dare spell it outright (France being a prime example).

The EU functions as a centrist-right brake on its members, it's cushioned the UK from the worst excesses of Thatcherism including the Blair extension of same. I'm all for testing the limits of that, to destruction if need be, but still, all things being equal, better in than out

Just about

Can we have a EU thread where Comrade Alphabet and his foes can duke it out?

Please stop engaging with xyzzzz__ - there is nothing in it for anyone.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

1) You have just engaged me by mentioning me, 2)You are an internet veteran and you should know this NEVER WORKS, come on Andrew.

We are all dreaming of a better world.

Some of us of a better one than others

What is the 'good'? What is the 'better', Glaucon?

I am not picking on you, but on some of the content of your posts :)

― xyzzzz__, Monday, September 16, 2019 6:02 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You're engaging with Pom in bad faith (and not for the first time iirc)

:)

":)"

🔨)

LBI - I don't agree. I was arguing with Pom on the EU.

I think we can all agree, regardless of disagreements and shithousing from certain people itt aside, that this:

pom, I know it seems weird, but you have to remember: He is a complete moron. The blocker works beautifully.

Oh, fuck off

He def is, just earlier today about the route to a better England. It's a shame picking on Pom seems to be a "thing" now (and to comrade, I'm not the only one voicing seeing it as such). But let's agree to disagree on that.

I agree with this^ xxpost

Better an interesting foe than a world of agreement

That said, pom hasn't argued in bad faith at any point imo

xyzzzz is a troll who keeps attacking people he dislikes. It's not nice being on the receiving end of. Whether or not he is talking 'in bad faith' or genuinely don't get the difference between Greece needing a bailout and Hungary, well, not, is besides the point. As is whether or not he is 'capable' of something different than being a piece of shit towards pom.

fred you're also a troll

When would you say the last interesting post from xyzzzz__ was

fred you're also a troll

― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), 16. september 2019 18:42 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

I won't blame anyone blocking me if they think that is the case. Would keep me out of this thread. And we would be spared the fake outrage from gyac.

xxp mate the last few contributions you’ve made itt have been to insult people and say absolutely nothing of value, sorry you’re not getting enough attention or whatever, but please fuck off already.

I thought we'd already had a referendum on the subject of товарищ алфавит.

Alphie made some good and thoughtful posts on the Joanna Hogg thread, admittedly about a film I didn't really like so much (at least compared to her previous ones) but he expressed his position well and helped me to understand why it might be Good If Not For Me

xxp mate the last few contributions you’ve made itt have been to insult people and say absolutely nothing of value, sorry you’re not getting enough attention or whatever, but please fuck off already.

― gyac, 16. september 2019 18:45 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just block me, if it's such a big problem, instead of sitting there and whining about it. Fucking waste of time for everyone.